Triggernometry - changing sides?

Wrong thread. Sorry.

I wonder if they will cover this shooting. I wouldn't be surprised if they did. I'm a substack subscriber for their content, so will wait and see

Jst to clarify I was talking about the Blocked and Reported hosts not Triggernometry in the post you quoted.

I'm not a fan of the tendancy to demonise or ridicule trans people tbh, even if they have been vindictive. I had been watching the person that keffals went to stay with in Ireland for quite awhile, playing geoguesser and being a cat person, comfy and nice. I think keffals is a fucking train wreck, but also extremely vulnerable in a way.

I agree. I used to be slightly sympathetic to the treatment rather than condemnation approach. Think I was more naive then.

No. Absolutely not, there have to be hard boundaries in society I think, for the wellbeing of everyone.

I'm not a history person but think the human race has been through this before.

Same
ive caught up with this Matt Walsh business and am very surprised by the interpretation that they might be completely changing their views.

I mean hardly anyone would watch Joe rogan yammeringg on about his boring shit. It's the guests that make it, same with triggernometry, their live stuff is tedious unfunny bollocks.

They self identify as comedians, the comedian critical amongst us beg to differ.

I think their position is naive, but I don’t think they were defending paedophiles as such, rather arguing for a therapeutic approach to managing non-offenders rather than punishing them for feelings they didn’t choose and who may be suffering with a host of other mental health conditions.

I think this is worse than naive. It's dangerous. Paedophilia is not a sexual orientation, it's a sexual paraphilia, a fetish. It escalates from pornography to actual child rape and potentially beyond that. They're not being "punished for feelings they didn't choose." They are being punished for harming children.

There are no "non offenders". Only people who haven't escalated to rape yet. And those who haven't been caught.

Same, also was about that Greg dude, never heard of him, but he was possibly the most glaring wrong un I have come across for awhile. They were so credulous, I didn't read any comments at the time, but glad I wasn't just imagining it.

Really enjoy the podcast mostly, good on them.

I didn’t take that away from the BARpod’s paedophilia episodes. I disagree with their stance, and think that some taboos and stigmas serve a useful social function.

However their argument seemed to be that the focus needs to be on the prevention of harm and groups which allow (as they see it) sufferers of paedophilic impulses to work through them in a safe, therapeutic environment with an emphasis on non contact which will (they believe) get a better outcome than forcing these people underground where they are more likely to offend. There was also an episode on the case of Allyn Walker who lost their job after arguing for the destigmatisation of non-offending “minor attracted people” as part of their research. Non offending paedophiles were presented as vulnerable and I think K and J’s position is that there needs to be an evidence led treatment pathway, to help people manage their problem, rather than stigmatisation and ostracism which is likely to cause more rather than less harm to children.

I think their position is naive, but I don’t think they were defending paedophiles as such, rather arguing for a therapeutic approach to managing non-offenders rather than punishing them for feelings they didn’t choose and who may be suffering with a host of other mental health conditions.

I don't think they're GC because they're not critical of gender. They're critical about some of the ways in which gender can be used to facilitate abuse.

I don't get the vibe at all that they empathise with trans people and are against terfs. If anything they are becoming more gc and have said so very recently. I can see their eyes being open to this even more in the last few weeks.

Hmm, it's a while since I listened to it so perhaps need to listen again. I don't think it would stop me listening but it's definitely something to keep in mind. I don't follow them on any other platform, so was unaware of the controversy. I know I've winced at some of the things they have said, but like the fact that they appear even-handed politically, although obviously more left than right.

I disagree. I think it was awful and showed a huge lack of judgement and discernment. They were challenged at the time, and have been challenged ever since, but have only ever doubled down on it. They made a big deal out of criticising anyone who had a problem with it as illiberal and unkind.

I think Katie is definitely more GC than Jesse, but they both slag off Glinner and JK Rowling and anyone else who doesn't fall in with their "liberal" line - which is basically that trans people are poor vulnerable victims who are bullied by terfs, but there are some reasonable terfs too, ones who are "liberal" like they are.

I did use to like B&R but I really went off them after the paedophilia stuff and the way they doubled down on it.

I find it fascinating that the Trigger lads are self proclaimed comedians. I have never found them or their podcasts remotely funny.

I don't agree with everything on Blocked and Reported. I don't think such a perfect podcast exists, but they aren't bad on the science of trans issues. The paedophilia discussions were a bit of a low point, but I do think it sounds worse than it was.

They didn''t really. They talked about people with those tendancies who never act on it. People who have never committed a crime. I didn't see it as a defence.

The Greg Ellis episode was appalling. I'd never heard of him going into to it but about 10 minutes in I thought there's something really 'off' about this tale so I skipped to the comments and discovered the real story. Even hardcore fans were WTF guys?

Yet every time I've watched them interview Posie they've given her quite a rough ride for her men aren't women ever stance (in the interests of balance of course!) yet this bloke spouted clearly provable and untrue shite completely unchallenged.

I like Blocked and Reported but having listened enough I'd say there are a number of issues where their position looks like: "as liberals we don't go there".

They had a few episodes on this. One was talking to a group of child abusers about their online group. Katie and Jesse informed us that paedophilia is a sexual orientation and they can't help it. They were clearly groomed by another paedo who convinced them that they would never act on their urges and that they should be part of destigmatising paedophilia. There were a number of episodes over a few months.

I'm clearly a bit out of the loop, e.g. I don't know about the Matt Walsh stuff and arguably I should catch up before I post but hey... Anyway I think it's a mistake to view the two guys as a single mind. Francis Foster is normally the quieter one of the two but he's always struck me as more thoughtful. Plus I think as an ex teacher, his focus is more on the transitioning of children and the creep of the ideology into schools.

I missed them defending paedophilia. When did they do that?

I think KK has a bit of a temper. He's been an angry twat on twitter many times. Not just to women though.

I stopped listening to Blocked and Reported when they started defending paedophilia and asking us to feel sorry for child abusers. Oh anD also the hate for glinner.

As I understand it, KK has gone on a #bekind mission after Matt Walsh was mean about Dylan Mulvaney. Literally all Trigs followers took Matt Walsh's side. This seems to have triggered KK into a meltdown.