KJK's film out at 8pm tonight

So is KJK saying married couples where there is fertility treatment so the baby is biologically not her husbands should only have the mother recorded on the birth certificate? And her husband should adopt?

The non biological parent in opposite couples who have fertility treatment is legally treated as the parent as well.
A man giving sperm to a clinic does not want to be a father.
They are both recorded as parents because birth certificates are social documents. They exist to record a child's birth and which adults have legal responsibility. Adults need that to be able to make various decisions on behalf of children.

I just watched that and KJK has a problem with lies on birth certificates. She believes birth certs should be a recoding of the biological mother and biological father. The truth. She says she has no problem in same-sex couple where the non-biological parent becomes an adoptive parent.

It’s a bit bonkers to show that one as your evidence @AmandaJonah - it doesn’t support your claim at all, it contradicts it.

Yes, this is where we get into the la la land of legal fiction. Two women may ‘legally’ be the parents, but biologically, the baby has a mother and a father. And neither the biological or legal parents can know in advance how much the child will long to have a relationship with their father. The legal fiction is for the benefit of the adults.

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Where did you see this, Amanda?

@AlisonDonut I said that KJK said that two lesbians should not have a baby together. They do have a baby together practically in terms of bringing up the baby and legally in terms of parental responsibility.
Or is KJK against sperm donation for any couple?

You said she said that women shouldn't have a baby together. They don't, they have a baby with the help of males.

If men didn't donate sperm, they don't have a right to extract it do they?

And for men, they actually need to buy a woman's womb. They don't have the right to impregnate women and force them to carry to term.

Extract sperm! You do know lesbians are not sneaking up on sleeping men and extracting sperm?
Men donate sperm, usually through clinics. Women buy the sperm. get pregnant and both women are legally the parents.

That AGCL group are a bit nuts.
For a different thread I was looking into James Makings (NSPCC Pisswank Rubberman) and unexpectedly, one of AGCL’s members showed up with this take on objections to him working for the NSPCC. She used to be a sensible woman, but she clearly took leave of her senses a while back. People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones AGCL.

And that's that done✔Bonus on aging my smears can now be every five years. Whoop!whoop! Sigh.

They hate KJK because she's popular, doesn't have lots of published studies and articles to her name but still manages to grab the attention of women in way they cannot.

I don't understand why they feel the best way to deal with the KJK 'problem' is to beat her with every stick they can find but it does start to feel like the bullies waiting at the end of the lane on your way home from school.

Two women cannot have a baby.

For a baby you need sperm. Which women do not have.

No woman has a right to extract sperm from a man and use it to create a baby.

Hope that help your confusion.

Indeed Mother Nature can be pretty unyielding.

We don’t get to choose what sex we are born, what we can make a baby out of, who our parents are, what a cunt!

Gotcha @AlisonDonut so jealousy and petty spite. To be fair they do have a strand definition of feminism if it involves tearing down another woman for achieving what they can’t.

Because she says in 4 words what academics have spent years try to say in big words that nobody understands.

Hope it goes ok @Boiledbeetle the women on that fb group are deffo batshit!!!! Why do they hate KJK so much?

I'll admire her once I've returned from my ridiculously early booked (8am apt, yeah fine said I!?!) smear. She really is a cunt this morning!😁

You gotta admire her @Boiledbeetle

Mother nature is at times a loud and proud cunt!

Ooh @EndlessTea are we saying Mother Nature is now homophobic as well as transphobic? 😀

How is it a “right” to have a baby? What other “lesbian rights” does KJK want taken away?

Aren’t you confusing “can” and “should”. I don’t want to go down that road again, but I am sick to the back teeth of the entitlement of people attempting to mangle reality and biology on the back of mangled language and other people’s politeness.

Two women cannot make a baby.
Making babies is the result of the male gamete uniting with the female gamete in the body of a woman.

It is not KJK who made this so. It is nature. Frustrating if you are a woman who wants to be a mother but don’t fancy men and you can’t find a man to make children with without having sex. But not KJK’s fault.

KJK is against lesbian rights. She does not think two women should have a baby for example. All she cares about is transgender.

Yes it is depressing. When she said that my heart sank. Because I think she might be right.

I'm watching this right now and Kellie-Jay says this at 31:05:

"I think there’s something really interesting that’s been displayed by this latest kind of social changes at work which I think is an engineered change and I think we have to start thinking that if gay rights were just about women would they ever have been …would they ever have even happened? Would lesbians ever have got anywhere if it wasn’t for the benefit of gay men?

"I’m just wondering if all along it was just about men’s rights and that’s why any civil rights movement that contains men as victims is far more likely to succeed than civil rights movements that actually talk about women."

So true and very depressing.