Do any older women transition?

I know very little about the topic but often wonder why there seem to be quite a few females identifying as males in their teens but no males identifying as females at that age (that I know of)

I think we may have the same friend

Just saw pics of her for a Gucci campaign; she still looks like a girl, just with a bad haircut.

I am really confused by so many trans men's haircuts. Not all, but so many seem to have a haircut that is not traditionally masculine/male-looking. Which would be so easy to do if you were aiming to pass as male. Instead it often seems to be a feminine short haircut, or just a really odd short haircut that doesn't look like "men's" hair either. Why is that? You'd think it would be one of the first and easiest things to do to try to look male.

Lesbians and even some straight women often seem to have more boyish hairstyles than most trans men. It always makes me wonder if there's a subconscious rebellious woman (as opposed to "man in the wrong body") element to it, which would be plain old feminism if it wasn't for the genderist narrative.

Or maybe it's done to signal "transness" and hold onto the special status that affords, as it's easier for trans men to pass.

I know someone that has undergone some sort of transition late 40s (female). I don't see them much as moved away but now ids as non-binary, but are very aware of the significance of one's "gender assigned at birth", more so than most male people who claim to consider physical sex totally insignificant in any context whatsoever. They are bright and switched-on and do have other issues.

I wonder if 'living as a man', as a pp put it, involves changing your sexed body, or something else? If so, what?

Collaborate yes there are some people who are helped by transition. Though I still suspect that for women, being expected to act out a feminine lifestyle and traditional reproductive role, is obviously going to make some women feel like they aren't a woman if they don't feel able to do that - as opposed to feeling free to accept their sexed body and free to live whatever lifestyle and have whatever gender expression they like. That is by far the better option if it's possible, because it's far less physically harmful. (I'm not just talking about surgery and its complications, but things like the increased risk of heart problems and stroke from excess testosterone in the female body.)

If we didn't impose these gendered exp[ectations on people based on their sex, I think far fewer would feel a need to identify with or as the opposite sex.

It would be all well and good if you could really change sex straightforwardly and without harm – but you can't. Your friend was born female and is still female.

😂😂

Well that was a complete non sequitur of a post, but you do you.

I seldom venture on to these dicussions as more often than not it's a cess-pit of closed minds.

I acted for a middle aged client around 20 years ago who was born female. He was advised by the church that the thing he needed was to get married and have children. So he went along with it. It nearly finished him off.

When I saw him around 12 years after getting married he was living as a man with hormone treatment, double mastectomy, and contemplating phalloplasty. He reported that the advice to get married was the worst advice he'd been given, and he was at last now happy after having transitioned.

But of course people here know best.

The one I know (early 40s ) has had top surgery

Exactly

Yep devote yourself 100% to your kids, your job and cleaning house.

Knowing who you are isn't navel gazing though, I find that a weird attitude to have.
Like all us mums can ever do is think about others, and not know ourselves. 🙄

Honestly this thread is full of offensive stereotypes obviously posted by people who do not have a clue what they are talking about.

Thirties is still young. Given the time it takes for referrals they probably requested referral in their late twenties.

No, you've just proved it. Plenty of time to navel gaze if no kids or elderly DPs.

I wouldn't class in your thirties as being young (I say this as someone older than that!)

Elliot Page?

I would say relatively young, not a "late transitioner" in the same way male people commonly are.

Can someone at mumsnet please explain why my comment was deleted? I was stating a fact. The social contagion element of gender identity ideology is pretty well known and widely recognised.

I could be wrong, but I believe the "they" in this context was the gender neutral third person singular pronoun, not the third person plural pronoun.

It wasn't a comment about an entire community, just an observation that a single person without children probably has fewer family commitments and more time to spend on introspection.

Elliot Page?

🤣🤣🤣 and balding head …the hair migrates I swear ….

I think the nazel gaving comments are pretty offensive.
I agree it is largely about trauma and individual vulnerability.

And loads of older lesbians who have been lesbians all their adult life were rejected by their families. So a community that partially replaces a family can be very attractive.