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Pupil made to leave class by drag queen for disagreeing with notion there are 73 genders

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ResisterRex · 27/02/2023 17:27

Just when you think you've seen it all. Apparently the Department for Education has been contacted for comment:

Drag queen ‘teaches 11-year-olds about anal sex and tells them there are 73 genders’

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/27/drag-queen-teaches-11-year-olds-anal-sex-tells-73-genders/

"Sex education has been suspended in Isle of Man schools after a drag queen allegedly told 11-year-olds that there are 73 genders.
The Isle of Man government has launched an independent review of its personal, social, health and economic (PSHE) curriculum after parents raised the alarmm_ about the “graphic, disproportionate, indecent presentation” of sexual acts and different gender identities understood to have been taught in lessons.
Parents of pupils at Queen Elizabeth II High School in Peel, on the Isle of Man, have reported that Year 7 pupils were taught by a drag queenn_ who told them there are 73 genders.
When one “upset” child responded and said “there’s only two”, the drag queen allegedly responded “you’ve upset me” and made the pupil leave the class.
Some 11-year-olds at the school were taught about oral and anal sex, while another group learned about sex change operations and were shown how skin graft taken from a girl’s arm could be used on an artificial penis, according to reports.
“A lot of children are just too traumatised to even talk to their parents," Eliza Cox, vice-chairman of Marown Commissioners, told Energy FM Isle of Man. “As a parent, you don’t know what children are being taught.”
She said that one teacher on the island had told her she had to teach a group of boys and girls in Years 7 and 8 how to masturbate. Another teacher was said to be so uncomfortable with the content of the PSHE curriculum that they told pupils: “Please don’t listen to me” while they taught the lesson."

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JemimaTiggywinkles · 28/02/2023 10:10

@Redebs This is not ok

The section of sex education which parents cannot withdraw children from is the content covered in biology. So the mechanics of sexual reproduction in humans, sperm / ova, reproductive systems and the menstrual cycle. I think there is some stuff on STIs and how the contraceptive pill works too, but I haven't taught GCSE biology for a long time!

The non-withdrawable aspects of relationship education is almost all fine. Schools are required to teach healthy relationships, consent etc with gay relationships covered alongside heterosexual ones rather than just a stand alone lesson on being gay. We do have to teach about the protected characteristics, and I don't think anyone here would be fine with some parents being allowed to withdraw children from content that teaches women are equal to men (for example). The bit which is problematic (in the statutory guidance) is that schools are told to teach about gender identity, without any guidance on what it is or what we are supposed to teach. But parents can withdraw their children from anything sexually explicit in this area.

NotHavingIt · 28/02/2023 09:55

Grumpybutfunny · 28/02/2023 08:36

Teaching by a drag Queen not a problem for any subject. Teaching about gender and the multiple different genders (more are coming to light so I don't think we should put a number on it) not a problem. My concern would be that at age 11 sex is still a bit ick, so teaching about sex positions is likely to turn into an avenue for bullying especially towards LBQT+ students.

Maybe this should have been for older pupils and the Queen asked to introduce more broad subjects such as relationships being between anyone and what it means to be a drag Queen to the younger pupils.

I do think sex needs to be discussed in schools so kids aren't forced to learn about it from porn, glamourising what will never happen in a average relationship.

Teaching by drag queens is an issue for multiple reasons:

Teaching should not be about indoctrination, but about presenting children with material facts or about competing ideologies and ways of viewing the world.

Anyone brought in to teach children usually needs to have gone through a full CRB check and they are expected to have some basic teaching and classroom management skills. An invited guest teacher should never be left alone with a group of children.

What drag queens are 'teaching' is in fact highly contested theory which most people would consider inappropriate, confusing or upsetting for younger children especially.

The presentation of grotesque parodies of womanhood as being liberating or as challenging gender stereotypes is highly questionable.

Drag is adult entertainment and these acts tend to be saturated in crude and sexualised comedy and innuendo. It is not suitable for children.

Clymene · 28/02/2023 09:44

Grumpybutfunny · 28/02/2023 08:36

Teaching by a drag Queen not a problem for any subject. Teaching about gender and the multiple different genders (more are coming to light so I don't think we should put a number on it) not a problem. My concern would be that at age 11 sex is still a bit ick, so teaching about sex positions is likely to turn into an avenue for bullying especially towards LBQT+ students.

Maybe this should have been for older pupils and the Queen asked to introduce more broad subjects such as relationships being between anyone and what it means to be a drag Queen to the younger pupils.

I do think sex needs to be discussed in schools so kids aren't forced to learn about it from porn, glamourising what will never happen in a average relationship.

No one has said sex shouldn't be taught in schools.

And why are you capitalising the Q in queen? Confused

NotHavingIt · 28/02/2023 09:38

Echobelly · 27/02/2023 21:42

The 73 genders thing is daft and, if that's how it happened, it wasn't necessary to insist the child believes that and it was totally the wrong way to deal with it.

The sex education sounds very inappropriate but I don't see the text saying that the drag queen was doing any of the teaching and therefore it is a matter for the people who designed the curriculum to deal with, but in a nasty, manipulative bit of homophobia it's been written ambiguously to link those with the drag queen. Even a wokey snowflake like me initially read it as the drag queen having done that before I realised that's not what it said, so it's clearly written to set people off.

Maybe you don't like drag, but if you amplify these stories uncritically you are being a useful idiot for deeply unpleasant people who want to destroy LGBTQ's people's lives with the 'won't someone think of the children' line and turning otherwise reasonable people to the idea that all gay rights have gone too far and they need putting back in the closet.

What has "gone too far" is the pushing of queer theory and the attempt to "queer society" of which DQST is just one part.

Not all LGB people identify as 'queer' or want anything to do with the 'queer community' or with the idea that being same sex attracted totally determines your personal or cultural identity along certain predictable lines.

It was always inevitable that there would be push back from the public when all of this reached consciousness. If Pride and other LGB related activities are saturated with fetish, BDSM and all of the other kinks and paraphillias that are now common - in the guise of the 'big rainbow family' or 'queer community' then the average member of the public will associate LGB with all of that, unfortunately.

Queer Theory has been so regressive and damaging with its insistence on the pushing of 'transgressive' sexual, and other, practices to the detriment of many.

Wanderingowl · 28/02/2023 08:42

SchoolTripDrama · 28/02/2023 02:28

I beg your pardon? 4 or 5? I'm sorry but that's not right ☹️

Yes it is. It's perfectly normal for girls to be able to masturbate, even before we're born. I have no memory of ever learning to masturbate but I could always do it. I didn't know that's what I was doing until about 12, but it's something I know I did since at least toddlerhood.

LexMitior · 28/02/2023 08:37

I hope the idiot that sanctioned this is sacked. And then their computer usage checked with the police.

Grumpybutfunny · 28/02/2023 08:36

Teaching by a drag Queen not a problem for any subject. Teaching about gender and the multiple different genders (more are coming to light so I don't think we should put a number on it) not a problem. My concern would be that at age 11 sex is still a bit ick, so teaching about sex positions is likely to turn into an avenue for bullying especially towards LBQT+ students.

Maybe this should have been for older pupils and the Queen asked to introduce more broad subjects such as relationships being between anyone and what it means to be a drag Queen to the younger pupils.

I do think sex needs to be discussed in schools so kids aren't forced to learn about it from porn, glamourising what will never happen in a average relationship.

bellinisurge · 28/02/2023 08:34

Keeping kids away from adult performers is a hill I'm prepared to ...etc etc. It's never "senior story time " with a woman currently in a care home, it's never "disability positive story time" with someone from a disabled persons activist/support group.

It's always woman face story time.

Silverbook · 28/02/2023 08:31

IcakethereforeIam · 27/02/2023 17:32

Isle of Them, surely.

😂

SinnerBoy · 28/02/2023 08:23

user1477391263 · Yesterday 23:51

I have a feeling that the poor sod teachers did not actually make the decision in this case. Probably some loony SLT type.

That may well be the case, but surely at least one teacher could / should have said, "Hang on, this isn't right." If the local trouble maker came onto the school grounds, they'd chase him, right?

Grammarnut · 28/02/2023 08:10

75.999 recurring, I think.

ResisterRex · 28/02/2023 08:10

birchtreeglow · 27/02/2023 23:24

New to posting here, have been lurking and hopefully, learning.

Just how the fuck did the school think that this is in any way appropriate?!
I had a peek at the school's 'Child Protection and Safeguarding Policy'
"...There are five main elements to our policy:

  1. Ensuring we practice safe recruitment in checking the suitability of staff and volunteers to work with children...."
qe2.sch.im/site/uploads/pages/12/_media/20230227_ad6ec27c/Child_Protection_Policy_November_22.pdf

Massive fail there.

The policy also states "Safeguarding and promoting the welfare of children is everyone’s responsibility. The Queen Elizabeth II High School fully recognises its responsibilities for child protection and safeguarding of students. We have developed this policy in conjunction with guidance from the Isle of Man Safeguarding Children Board. All procedures issued by the Isle of Man DEC and the IOM Safeguarding Children Board as published on their websites will be followed. This policy should be reviewed annually by Governors at their Autumn meeting."

So I searched for the 'Isle of Man Safeguarding Children Board' I found this link to Child Protection on gov.im

www.gov.im/about-the-government/departments/education-sport-and-culture/inclusion-and-safeguarding/child-protection/
which has a related link to 'Protecting Children Board Website', though the link doesn't work for me - the server can't find it.
So I searched again using 'Protecting Children Board Website' and found it:
www.safeguardingboard.im

Looking at their information on what they themselves state constitutes abuse; then surely the school is culpable in the Emotional Abuse, Sexual Abuse and Neglect of children?
www.safeguardingboard.im/safeguarding-children/information-for-professionals/child-abuse-definitions/

It seems to me that schools and other organisations have thrown safeguarding out of the window under the guise of ‘Equality, Diversity and Inclusion’, when they allow this, when they look to Stonewall, Mermaids et al for ‘advice’ and materials, when they seek to distance/create a divide between children and parents in some way.

Equality, Diversity and Inclusion – what bunkum and poppycock.

Those organisations seek to take away women’s rights, trample on womanhood, dismantle our boundaries, cause division, sew hate and cause harm to and indoctrinate children, it’s pernicious. I've peaked and I'm really angry.

Thank you for these links and welcome! Smile

I can't believe that teaching children how to masturbate isn't abuse. From your link with my bold:

"They [the activities] may also include non contact activities, such as involving children in looking at, or the production of, sexual images, watching sexual activities, encouraging children to behave in sexually inappropriate ways, or grooming a child in preparation for abuse"

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RichardBarrister · 28/02/2023 08:07

HooverIsAlwaysBroken · 28/02/2023 07:24

Wasn’t there a transwoman playing the piano with their penis as well?

Yes. Said penis performer won a ‘Breakthrough’ comedy award and an award at the Edinburgh fringe.

It just goes to show that a penis trumps talent in the misogynistic comedy world.

Grammarnut · 28/02/2023 08:07

Happylittlechicken · 28/02/2023 06:10

Why would I listen to someone who make a job out of womanface? You’ll be expecting me to listen to those people who think minstrel shows are “just entertainment” next. Would you watch a show that uses blackface? If not why not? Why is womanface ok but blackface not?

I watched it. He made a good case for not taking children anywhere near drag queens. He did end by saying mothers doing this were ruining drag queens (as well as children) which I found cloyingly distasteful. However, I still agreed with him in principle. In the UK pantomime uses dames (and I miss Principal Boys) and Morris Men traditionally black up as sweeps, as part of the guising tradition, traditional disguise (as Morris collected money i.e. begged), wood spirits etc. - and I am not just happy with that I get annoyed with people who say it's racist: historical illiteracy annoys me much more, obv. Drag queens are not necessarily associated in my mind with nightclubs etc. (more Saturday Night at the London Palladium) but I do not think they are suitable entertainment for children - unlike pantomime dames and Morris Dancers. Worth a watch.

RichardBarrister · 28/02/2023 08:01

Kerfuffler · 27/02/2023 23:22

Did something get missed off the end of your last sentence?

Sorry, yes.

Sab’s child rapist friend repeatedly had to be stopped from taking jobs where he could access children because sexual predators are persistent, tenacious and patient.

They are willing to play the long game and work with other men to groom the adults supposed to be protecting children into dropping their guard. Jimmy Saville groomed police forces, people in authority, the general public and they all helped to silence the nurses who tried to report his sexual abuse of children. This pattern is now apparent again.

There is not one DQ that has come to public attention for performing in schools and other spaces that hasn’t got huge red flags around them. These individuals are the main performers - obviously Sab runs DQST and seems to be one of the busiest.

If they weren’t ‘representatives’ of ‘LGBTQ community’ and didn’t wear their wigs and glitter, I’m sure every school and parent wouldn’t dream of having them close to their children. Yet here we are.

KatMcBundleFace · 28/02/2023 08:01

ADHD got a twitter suspension for threatening to track down a woman and ensure her AND her husband lost their jobs.

Just to demonstrate the impulse control of this person.

Florissant · 28/02/2023 07:57

That poor little boy. I hope his parents make a fuss.

Grammarnut · 28/02/2023 07:54

EpicChaos · 28/02/2023 00:42

Welcome @birchtreeglow, I'm fairly new to this board still and have found they're a very forgiving bunch if you make an arse of yourself, so i wouldn't worry. If in doubt, just get the cheeseboard out and the other posters will be golden. :-)

Same here. Welcome.

WickedSerious · 28/02/2023 07:53

Clymene · 27/02/2023 18:21

Here's an archived link to the article: archive.is/2023.02.27-181151/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/27/drag-queen-teaches-11-year-olds-anal-sex-tells-73-genders/

The 'drag queen' link in the article goes to an article about drag queen Sab Samuel who has been going into libraries and reading to children in this outfit.

Sab launched a GoFundMe for the funeral costs for another drag queen who was a convicted child rapist.

reduxx.info/uk-vigil-held-for-sex-offender-drag-queen-in-cardiff-wales/

Well,he doesn't look the least bit dodgy does he?

SinnerBoy · 28/02/2023 07:51

HooverIsAlwaysBroken · Today 07:20

This is a very educational video about pronouns, my children loves this.

"You're not learning English to be a BIGOT, are you - Luis?"

Clymene · 28/02/2023 07:50

I don't know what's going on with the auto hide feature Confused

Clymene · 28/02/2023 07:48

Echobelly · 27/02/2023 21:42

The 73 genders thing is daft and, if that's how it happened, it wasn't necessary to insist the child believes that and it was totally the wrong way to deal with it.

The sex education sounds very inappropriate but I don't see the text saying that the drag queen was doing any of the teaching and therefore it is a matter for the people who designed the curriculum to deal with, but in a nasty, manipulative bit of homophobia it's been written ambiguously to link those with the drag queen. Even a wokey snowflake like me initially read it as the drag queen having done that before I realised that's not what it said, so it's clearly written to set people off.

Maybe you don't like drag, but if you amplify these stories uncritically you are being a useful idiot for deeply unpleasant people who want to destroy LGBTQ's people's lives with the 'won't someone think of the children' line and turning otherwise reasonable people to the idea that all gay rights have gone too far and they need putting back in the closet.

I don't think it's been written in a nasty ambiguous way at all.

Parents of pupils at Queen Elizabeth II High School in Peel, on the Isle of Man, have reported that Year 7 pupils were <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/oQ2ig/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/16/drag-queen-story-time-primary-school-children-prompts-backlash/" rel="nofollow" target="blank">taught by a drag queenen who told them there are 73 genders.*
The children were taught by a drag queen.

When one “upset” child responded and said “there’s only two”, the drag queen allegedly responded “you’ve upset me” and made the pupil leave the class.
An 11 year old child was ejected from the classroom for questioning queer theory.

Some 11-year-olds at the school were taught about oral and anal sex, while another group learned about sex change operations and were shown how skin graft taken from a girl’s arm could be used on an artificial penis, according to reports.
This is part of wider sex education at the school which is teaching sex ed heavily informed by queer theory.

If there is any kind of homophobic backlash, it's down to the people who push this shit at children, not those of us who object to it.

knittingaddict · 28/02/2023 07:40

HooverIsAlwaysBroken · 28/02/2023 07:24

Wasn’t there a transwoman playing the piano with their penis as well?

I'm trying to forget that ever happened. 😱

knittingaddict · 28/02/2023 07:38

SchoolTripDrama · 28/02/2023 02:28

I beg your pardon? 4 or 5? I'm sorry but that's not right ☹️

Of course it is. Children explore their own bodies. Some more than others. They are doing nothing wrong.

NashvilleQueen · 28/02/2023 07:27

Why is it always drag?

By all means have representation from the lgbtq+ community in schools. I fully agree with the notion that young people need to know that however they fit in it's fine and normal but drag is an extreme caricature.

How have they become the go-to group to traipse into schools sprinkling fucking glitter and tottering about on platform heels? Why can't we have lesbian doctors and gay car salesmen and trans greengrocers and bi stay at home parents and so on so that young people see sex as just part of who we are and not something that's overblown and grotesque?

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