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Pupil made to leave class by drag queen for disagreeing with notion there are 73 genders

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ResisterRex · 27/02/2023 17:27

Just when you think you've seen it all. Apparently the Department for Education has been contacted for comment:

Drag queen ‘teaches 11-year-olds about anal sex and tells them there are 73 genders’

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/27/drag-queen-teaches-11-year-olds-anal-sex-tells-73-genders/

"Sex education has been suspended in Isle of Man schools after a drag queen allegedly told 11-year-olds that there are 73 genders.
The Isle of Man government has launched an independent review of its personal, social, health and economic (PSHE) curriculum after parents raised the alarmm_ about the “graphic, disproportionate, indecent presentation” of sexual acts and different gender identities understood to have been taught in lessons.
Parents of pupils at Queen Elizabeth II High School in Peel, on the Isle of Man, have reported that Year 7 pupils were taught by a drag queenn_ who told them there are 73 genders.
When one “upset” child responded and said “there’s only two”, the drag queen allegedly responded “you’ve upset me” and made the pupil leave the class.
Some 11-year-olds at the school were taught about oral and anal sex, while another group learned about sex change operations and were shown how skin graft taken from a girl’s arm could be used on an artificial penis, according to reports.
“A lot of children are just too traumatised to even talk to their parents," Eliza Cox, vice-chairman of Marown Commissioners, told Energy FM Isle of Man. “As a parent, you don’t know what children are being taught.”
She said that one teacher on the island had told her she had to teach a group of boys and girls in Years 7 and 8 how to masturbate. Another teacher was said to be so uncomfortable with the content of the PSHE curriculum that they told pupils: “Please don’t listen to me” while they taught the lesson."

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Treaclemine · 28/02/2023 16:07

When I was teaching, there was an influx of Bad Science in training days. None of it was sexual. I wondered why we had it, but lookimg back, I now wonder whether it was to see what they could persuade teachers to do.
I particulary recall Brain Gym. It began with the idea of different functions of right and left brains. It had not kept up with the work on the subject, especially male and female (not lady brains!) It said that the two hemispheres should be made to work together by means of buttons on the body. We were all instructed to teach the language of the scheme and do their exercises in the part of the afternoon that had been break. No discussion was allowed. I didn't do what was instructed as it had no scientific validity, but feeling that exercise break was a good idea, resorted to Victorian exercises instead, and never got caught.
Looking back, the elements of pseudoscience, unquestioned, and unquestionable by those without much science education; instructions to obey, and the feeling that you couldn't talk with collegues about it seem familiar. They all seemed so enthusistic.

JustPassingTyhme · 28/02/2023 15:31

Its disgusting that children are being exposed to this. How on earth are the teachers and professionals that have allowed this to be taught to children keeping their jobs? Don’t those working with children have a legal obligation to report child abuse and safeguarding concerns.

Teachers are given training and reporting structures to enable them to report things like this. They cannot claim ignorance and they cannot claim that they don’t know how to report this absolute annihilation of safeguarding because they are given safeguarding training.

Some of the teachers have expressed to the children that they think the material they are showing them is wrong, yet they still enabled what is essentially child abuse to happen. So, the remaining teachers are either too stupid to realise its wrong, too intimidated to stand up for the children they are supposed to safeguard, or most terrifying of all, they genuinely think that this is ok material to show to children.

Regardless of the motivation each and every teacher and professional that allowed such material to be shown to children has proven that they are incapable of safeguarding, even when they have been given the training and the most optimal environment to support the reporting of safeguarding concerns. Yet they still enabled abuse to happen.

If they cannot safeguard at work, then they cannot safeguard at home. They have publicly proven that they will let a person with know affiliations to paedophiles talk to children about sex in a highly inappropriate manner.

They should not be allowed to work with the vulnerable. They should not be allowed to be around any vulnerable adults in their life. They should not be allowed to have custardy of their children, they should not even be allowed unsupervised contact with their children.

I hope the parents of the poor school children on the Isle of Man are reporting the teachers and professionals involved in this to social services and to the police. Not just for the safety of the children those teachers interact with at work, but also for the safety of any children those teachers have, or any vulnerable adults those teachers know.

I hope the police will prosecute the teachers, and I hope that the teachers children are take away from such unsuitable and incapable parents. I have absolutely no respect for anyone that partook in this.

CMO · 28/02/2023 14:30

Jackiebrambles · 27/02/2023 17:40

73?! That’s so specific.

Yeah, it;s totally unreasonable as everyone knows there are 127 genders.

oldwhyno · 28/02/2023 14:17

NotHavingIt · 28/02/2023 12:43

I actually think some of them have sligtly more disturbing implications. The WPATH documents on eunuch identity, mentioned above, when researched further, leads you to a site for people interested in eunuchs, and includes lengthy fantasy stories about young boys subject to castration.

Sorry, just my dark humour. I agree there are significant elements that are disturbing, not least of which for me is the ideological indoctrination of children by cross dressing clowns.

Wanderingowl · 28/02/2023 13:49

beastlyslumber · 28/02/2023 11:21

So are you saying that little girls experience sexual desire and sexual pleasure? Because no, they don't, and that is wrong, and sounds like what a child abuser would say.

If you're saying that children touch their genitals from an early age, then that is correct. But it has nothing to do with sexuality, which doesn't develop until puberty. And it's not masturbation.

I am very much saying that and it's not wrong and nothing to do with child abuse. Females are capable of orgasm their entire life. Children touch their genitals from very early ages. And girls can orgasm from it. Most don't, but it is actually common enough to not be an anomaly. There has never been a time in my life that I couldn't orgasm. I hadn't a clue what I was doing until I was around 12/13 but it's something I was always capable of.

Rose424 · 28/02/2023 12:46

yourhairiswinterfire · 27/02/2023 17:49

Sex education should be a serious subject, why the fuck are they getting a clown performing a piss-poor parody of a woman in to teach it?

Because of inherent misogyny.

NotHavingIt · 28/02/2023 12:43

oldwhyno · 28/02/2023 11:12

There are loads of them on one of my favourite websites for comedy www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Category:Gender

They're not discovered, they're invented, and only people with too much time on their hands would try to classify them.

I actually think some of them have sligtly more disturbing implications. The WPATH documents on eunuch identity, mentioned above, when researched further, leads you to a site for people interested in eunuchs, and includes lengthy fantasy stories about young boys subject to castration.

birchtreeglow · 28/02/2023 12:42

@ResisterRex @EpicChaos @Grammarnut Thanks for the welcome. I'll remember the cheese. I should have gone with a name like Gorgonzilla!

It's all so duplicitous and downright sinister.

NotHavingIt · 28/02/2023 12:38

HorribleNecktie · 28/02/2023 10:13

So tell us more about these dozens of emerging genders and their role
in the mammalian sexual reproductive process.

I’ve done some light research using this list and I must say it is fascinating.

Some selections:
Blizzgender– A gender that feels cold, snowy, and harsh. When it’s paired to another gender, it’s known as wintegender.

Felisgender– A small, catlike gender.

Jupitergender– A gender that is so large and present, one is not quite sure what it is because it’s too big to see clearly, but it is definitely there and one knows that they’re definitely not cis.

What gametes does a Blizzgender produce? Does the foetus gestate in a Jupitergender? Are Felisgenders able to
lick their own genitals?

Or is this all just a load of fucking bollocks cooked up by navel-gazing teenagers on Tumblr who are desperately seeking a pigeonhole for themselves? And if so, is it really necessary to teach this in school.

Add to that 'Eunuch' identity which WPATH tells us can develop in children as young as three years old - as was documented on Scottish NHS documentation until it was hurriedly pulled in September of last year.

Madcats · 28/02/2023 12:14

I think I might be Blizzgender today. It's a bit chilly without the heating on and I am in a bad mood about what is being inflicted on little kids these days. Are my pronouns "Brr"/"Grr"?

If you look for "Women's Voices" on Twitter you ought to be able to find an interview about the school. The suggestion is that their sex ed guidelines are bases on the Scottish ones.

Sazzasez · 28/02/2023 11:58

How many genders can dance on the head of a pin?

IcakethereforeIam · 28/02/2023 11:55

Gender identity, with all these different genders, reminds me more and more of Pokemon. I'm not just being facetious (although I am a bit). I think with a section of youth it's trying to find their tribe, to fit in but also to stand out. Some will be having fun with the concept, others are taking it far too seriously. Oh, and anime.

StephanieSuperpowers · 28/02/2023 11:34

The big problem I have with this is that children are a captive audience and just the fact that this is happening within a school setting gives the absolute nonsense this person was coming out with a kind of legitimacy.

Guis · 28/02/2023 11:26

World is imploding upon itself. Reason and rational thinking has left the universe.

beastlyslumber · 28/02/2023 11:21

Wanderingowl · 28/02/2023 08:42

Yes it is. It's perfectly normal for girls to be able to masturbate, even before we're born. I have no memory of ever learning to masturbate but I could always do it. I didn't know that's what I was doing until about 12, but it's something I know I did since at least toddlerhood.

So are you saying that little girls experience sexual desire and sexual pleasure? Because no, they don't, and that is wrong, and sounds like what a child abuser would say.

If you're saying that children touch their genitals from an early age, then that is correct. But it has nothing to do with sexuality, which doesn't develop until puberty. And it's not masturbation.

beastlyslumber · 28/02/2023 11:19

This is insane, and incredibly disturbing.

oldwhyno · 28/02/2023 11:14

NashvilleQueen · 28/02/2023 07:27

Why is it always drag?

By all means have representation from the lgbtq+ community in schools. I fully agree with the notion that young people need to know that however they fit in it's fine and normal but drag is an extreme caricature.

How have they become the go-to group to traipse into schools sprinkling fucking glitter and tottering about on platform heels? Why can't we have lesbian doctors and gay car salesmen and trans greengrocers and bi stay at home parents and so on so that young people see sex as just part of who we are and not something that's overblown and grotesque?

"drag" is the queer equivalent of a clown. It's to appeal to and entertain children. Clowns for five year olds at parties, okay. Clowns for sex ed to pre-teens, not okay.

FrancescaContini · 28/02/2023 11:14

@oldwhyno It’s okay, I was being tongue in cheek…

KnottyKnitting · 28/02/2023 11:12

I really do have no words for this insanity- but would be absolutely furious if my DCs had been subjected to this sort of "education"

Has anyone actually looked up this list of 73"genders" ? It is utterly batshit! How on earth did anyone come up with such twaddle!

oldwhyno · 28/02/2023 11:12

FrancescaContini · 28/02/2023 10:44

@Grumpybutfunny What are these “different genders” that are “coming to light”? Who is discovering them? Who decides how to categorise them?

Please tell all!

There are loads of them on one of my favourite websites for comedy www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Category:Gender

They're not discovered, they're invented, and only people with too much time on their hands would try to classify them.

Boiledbeetle · 28/02/2023 11:12

HorribleNecktie · 28/02/2023 10:13

So tell us more about these dozens of emerging genders and their role
in the mammalian sexual reproductive process.

I’ve done some light research using this list and I must say it is fascinating.

Some selections:
Blizzgender– A gender that feels cold, snowy, and harsh. When it’s paired to another gender, it’s known as wintegender.

Felisgender– A small, catlike gender.

Jupitergender– A gender that is so large and present, one is not quite sure what it is because it’s too big to see clearly, but it is definitely there and one knows that they’re definitely not cis.

What gametes does a Blizzgender produce? Does the foetus gestate in a Jupitergender? Are Felisgenders able to
lick their own genitals?

Or is this all just a load of fucking bollocks cooked up by navel-gazing teenagers on Tumblr who are desperately seeking a pigeonhole for themselves? And if so, is it really necessary to teach this in school.

If we can choose genders then I think I'd like to go with a mash up of Felisgender and Jupitergender. It's a logical match. I use so much energy being Jupitergender that it requires frequent cat naps to recharge!

I'm not sure how it's going to work 're pronouns. Maybe inspiration will come to me whilst I na zzzzzzzzz

FrancescaContini · 28/02/2023 10:44

@Grumpybutfunny What are these “different genders” that are “coming to light”? Who is discovering them? Who decides how to categorise them?

Please tell all!

lechiffre55 · 28/02/2023 10:35

Sex education is suspended in Isle of Man school after drag queen guest speaker 'tells 11-year-olds there are 73 genders - and made a child who said there are ''only two'' leave the class'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11800751/Sex-education-suspended-Isle-Man-school-drag-queen-tells-pupil-73-genders.html

HorribleNecktie · 28/02/2023 10:13

Grumpybutfunny · 28/02/2023 08:36

Teaching by a drag Queen not a problem for any subject. Teaching about gender and the multiple different genders (more are coming to light so I don't think we should put a number on it) not a problem. My concern would be that at age 11 sex is still a bit ick, so teaching about sex positions is likely to turn into an avenue for bullying especially towards LBQT+ students.

Maybe this should have been for older pupils and the Queen asked to introduce more broad subjects such as relationships being between anyone and what it means to be a drag Queen to the younger pupils.

I do think sex needs to be discussed in schools so kids aren't forced to learn about it from porn, glamourising what will never happen in a average relationship.

So tell us more about these dozens of emerging genders and their role
in the mammalian sexual reproductive process.

I’ve done some light research using this list and I must say it is fascinating.

Some selections:
Blizzgender– A gender that feels cold, snowy, and harsh. When it’s paired to another gender, it’s known as wintegender.

Felisgender– A small, catlike gender.

Jupitergender– A gender that is so large and present, one is not quite sure what it is because it’s too big to see clearly, but it is definitely there and one knows that they’re definitely not cis.

What gametes does a Blizzgender produce? Does the foetus gestate in a Jupitergender? Are Felisgenders able to
lick their own genitals?

Or is this all just a load of fucking bollocks cooked up by navel-gazing teenagers on Tumblr who are desperately seeking a pigeonhole for themselves? And if so, is it really necessary to teach this in school.

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