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Telegraph: MoJ to ban transwomen (male to female) from women's estate - links with specific details

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ResisterRex · 26/02/2023 09:27

KPSS has provided an accessible link to the Telegraph story (see their tweet) and say they will comment on more detail tomorrow. Here's part of the Telegraph story:

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/02/26/transgender-prisoners-convicted-violence-banned-womens-jails/

"The Ministry of Justice (MoJ) is toughening its stance, meaning that not only transgender women convicted of sexual assaults but also those jailed for violence will no longer be able to be held in mainstream women’s prisons.
Violent offences will include murder, attempted murder, harming a child, assault with intent to cause serious harm or with injury, endangering life, and harassment.
The new rules will also cover all transgender women with male genitalia and will apply regardless of whether transgender prisoners have a gender recognition certificate.
The MoJ said exemptions would only be made in exceptional cases and would also have to be <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/Iqojr/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/06/trans-prisoners-will-not-housed-women/" rel="nofollow" target="blank">signed off by ministerss."

Here's the KPSS short thread:

twitter.com/noxyinxxprisons/status/1629768643780255744?s=46&t=p4GrD7xZK4xup2YXGSOk7w

"This is an incredible achievement & is testimony to @MoJGovUK, @DominicRaab listening.
The new policy is out tomorrow. It covers prisons & approved premises, with separate guidance to follow for Youth Custody Services"

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cosmiccosmos · 26/02/2023 10:08

Good news, let's hope it's upgraded to 'any' crime. No men in womens prisons.

Meanwhile David Lammy has been in Sophie Ridge saying it's a sensitive subject and it should be looked at case by case. Evidently Isla Bryson wasn't a genuine transwomen - how do we work it out then David?

I wish the msm would delve deeper in their questioning on this.

happydappy2 · 26/02/2023 10:05

a step in the right direction but not good enough.

No males in Female jails.

LizzieSiddal · 26/02/2023 10:05

Thank god for that!

Lets hope the use of the description “TW with male genitalia” disseminates to common parlance. Stonewall, Mermaids et al would all say that phrase is transphobic. No it isn’t, it’s the truth.

And thank you again to the photographer of the Scottish rapist in his pink leggings showing off his male genitalia. Another penny dropping moment for the general public.

SinnerBoy · 26/02/2023 10:01

Trainnerd · Today 09:30

Why isn’t it just all crimes and all TW going to prison?

It may be that they know that nobody can realistically oppose this move and that they'll add more later. Let's hope so.

nilsmousehammer · 26/02/2023 09:52

Halleluia! It is absolutely possible to meet the needs of complex males without using females.

I will be interested to see the loophole clause and what such special exceptional circumstances may be because frankly it should be just a straight 'male, male estate, end of'. However considering the SNP clinging to the myth of the fully transitioned sweet and slightly fraud committing accountant and the criminal history of many of the males currently in the Scots women's estate?

If no convictions for violence and/or sex crimes was applied there, even without the additional clause of no male genitalia, it seems unlikely that many male prisoners would be left in the female estate.

KnickerlessParsons · 26/02/2023 09:46

ChocAuVin · 26/02/2023 09:29

Oh do spare a thought for the feelings of violent offenders.

Tried that. Failed.

Ramblingnamechanger · 26/02/2023 09:40

For any …grr

Ramblingnamechanger · 26/02/2023 09:40

Yes, no exceptions makes more sense, with or without male genitalia, with or without GRC, and whatever the crime. There is no reason foamy of them to be in a position where they will intimidate women. There should be no female warmers who do body searches on males and no males doing body searches on females. No debate.

Trainnerd · 26/02/2023 09:30

Why isn’t it just all crimes and all TW going to prison? It isn’t just the issue of those more likely to perpetrate violence it’s sharing close confined space with male bodies without consent.
somehow it makes it more ridiculous to be extending it as a form of risk assessment- they need to be clear that prison allocation is sex based and that’s the end of it- get get out clause.

ChocAuVin · 26/02/2023 09:29

Oh do spare a thought for the feelings of violent offenders.