Telegraph: MoJ to ban transwomen (male to female) from women's estate - links with specific details

Yep.

let’s let them test this sensible-and-hard-to-object-to policy out with a legal case rather than give them the heart-string-tugging wiggle-room of the mythical paediatric transitioner in for fencing luxury ladies perfumes.

The public have been trained into feeling sorry for males with genderfeelz in prisons via Laverne Cox in Orange is the New Black and Annie Wallace in Hollyoaks.

"The new rules will also cover all transgender women with male genitalia and will apply regardless of whether transgender prisoners have a gender recognition certificate."

How about all males?

A male with his dick cut off could still be a threat.

NotRightNowNo · Today 11:41

Glad to see 'TW with male genitalia' getting into the vernacular, let's hope the phrase is picked up by GC journalists who have this far been muffled by IPSO

Yes, hopefully, it could become more common, allowing more people to pick up on the reality of it all. AGP seems to have gone quiet, however, after being used in the Telegraph, last month. The more light shining on the fact that most are nothing more than men acting, the better.

Good to hear

Glad to see 'TW with male genitalia' getting into the vernacular, let's hope the phrase is picked up by GC journalists who have this far been muffled by IPSO

nilsmousehammer · Today 10:32

There will be already a legal team behind every male prisoner in the female estate, supported vigorously by rich political lobby groups (government funded) who will kick off massively and put a lot of pressure on.

Yes, I can certainly see that, from tomorrow, there will be an awful lot of screeching and wailing about it.

This is good news. There has been a craven attitude to the risk of being sued on a human rights perspective which is misogynistic- institutionalized by the MOJ.

It's appalling that women were harmed before sense returned.

Anyone with half a brain could predict the outcome of putting males in female prisons. Shame on all the cowards that allowed this to happen.

Great news. Thanks for sharing.

Sadly, more women will need to be harmed before the law finally excludes all males. But this is a move in the right direction.

This is a huge achievement and I hope Dr Coleman is justifiably proud of what she's achieved at KPSS.

But yes, I'm sure more women will be assaulted, become pregnant and then they'll revise the guidelines again. But this is a huge step in the right direction.

The next stage will be when a white collar criminal TW gets put in a women's prison and sexually assaults a woman and they move to ban all TW. Because men don't belong in women's prisons whatever crime they have committed. It's infuriating that a woman or women will need to be harmed to make that point but it's the only way it's going to happen.

This is a great step forward. Not just for the safety of female prisoners but also shifting public perception of TW as "the most vulnerable" section of society.

Well done KPSS. A shame that Sophie Ridge didn't question David Lammy further about his "sensitive issue" comment - maybe he'd have called women prisoners who don't want to share cells and showers with male born rapists "dinosaurs" again and display his monumental misogyny again.

I think it's a really decent starting point. And I think it's vaguely limited to stop TRAs etc putting pictures of TW like Blair White (who, while as far as I know does retain male genitalia, also does a pretty good job of passing, at least in photo and video form) and wailing at the idea of sending a TW like that to a male prison for a tax evasion or shop lifting or similar. As it is, this proposed change cuts off that sympathy gathering route. Much harder for the guardian et Al to argue that a transwoman with male genitalia being sent to prison for a violent crime should be in the female estate.

Also, as far as the stats go, I think most incarcerated TW are in for violent or sex crime? So this proposal would actually cover the vast majority of TW in the prison estate.

This

And when the Guardian finally reported on Isla Bryson, they cropped "her penis" out of the picture of course.

Sounds like a solid step in the right direction. Only took like what, 10 years? In which time, people voicing this have been called evil, violent, facists, no better than nazis. Those people are owed an apology.

It wouldn't have gone on so long either, if papers like the Guardian hadn't just ignored the issue, and failed to report every instance. I have friends who really believed "this never happens".

This too. See also healthcare. If women and girls ask for a female HCP that means no males.

I agree. It's the don't think of an elephant thing. Referring explicitly to male genitalia paints a very different image to rainbows and unicorns.

Its a very good start but its a pity it doesn't cover ALL TWs.

But there again, how many TW with non violent crimes are in the female estate atm.

KPSS have a crowdfunder with 9 hours to go - if anyone can help, you can find it by googling crowdfunder fighting for women in prison.

There will be already a legal team behind every male prisoner in the female estate, supported vigorously by rich political lobby groups (government funded) who will kick off massively and put a lot of pressure on.

Up to this point, they have always got their own way.

This x infinity

Should also include male prison officers imo.