Telegraph: MoJ to ban transwomen (male to female) from women's estate - links with specific details

Absolutely fabulous. Hospital wards next please. And no women police officers forced to strip search males.

I hope Nandy will publicly withdraw her support for child rapists getting to serve their sentences in women’s prisons.

This thread’s being screenshotted on Twitter, by the way. Everyone wave to the Misogynist Monitors!

While this is true, we know the percentage of TW who have had their penises removed is tiny. So saying no male genitalia is going to cover the vast vast majority. All of this is to be welcomed, while continuing to push for similar rules in healthcare settings and others.

This gives me hope. At least it’s finally some movement in the direction of women’s safeguarding

My view is that not only will Labour not reverse this but it will change the rest of public services. I don't believe Starmer et al will persist with trans supporting policies either. Expect it to get lukewarm after Sturgeon.

It will be interesting to see who challenges this and how they spin it.

Also be interesting for politicians, particularly Labour politicians such as Nandy and Rayner, to have their feet held to the fire on whether they disagree with this new policy, if so why, and how do they justify offering up women prisoners as a sacrifice to violent, rapist men.

LOJ must be spitting feathers! Poor bloke. He’ll have to do another sad face video now. Even his own paper is doing sensible reporting. The only thing is he spent so long claiming IB was not trans, and then the guardian reports IB using female pronouns. It’s delicious.

www.theguardian.com/society/2023/feb/26/transgender-women-male-genitalia-banned-from-womens-prisons#Echobox=1677432113

Good news. Healthcare next? Maybe eventually we can get policies safe enough that they can give out as many GRCs as they want without it putting women and girls at risk

Is this likely to be reported anywhere else?

KPSS say ‘The Raab policy will certainly face legal challenge. We will continue to monitor the situation & to push for there to be no males, ever, in women's prisons.’ twitter.com/noxyinxxprisons/status/1629852342743887872?s=46&t=OiHII1QbievCQt7npvQR-Q

This.

Women prisoners are vulnerable and almost all have suffered at the hands of men. Female prisoners should not be forced to share their bedrooms and showers with men. This is not complicated.

I don’t give a shit if that hurts some man’s feelings. This is not being left out of a slumber party, this is being locked in a cage with someone much bigger and stronger than you.

NettleTea· Today 15:18

...it will take an extremely special circumstance to even consider moving a man into the female estate, rather than needing exceptional circumstances to keep them out.

Yes, it's a starting point, at least. How a rapist, or domestic violence perpetrator could whine that he's female and should be with women has to be just about impossible.

Yes, I think I would take that away, from this news.

Someone in office must put THEIR name to allowing a transgender male into the female estate.

Whilst I am sure there are some who would, it seems a risky move on their part, to have recorded that they approved this, if complaints or further evidence came to light.

the characteristics shown by IW are those shown by your common or garden narcissist. Unlikely to have been non violent if push has come to a shove

the other good piece is that it will take an extremely special circumstance to even consider moving a man into the female estate, rather than needing exceptional circumstances to keep them out. That in itself is a monumental shift towards guarding for womens safety first, and mens needs second

There are still some benefits, especially for sex offenders, who get to be treated like extra special sex offenders and are allowed extra privileges such as showering alone and ordering female underwear from a catalogue (IIRC!)

Oh I completely agree with you, I was just answering with my reading of the guidance.

I suspect the number of violent male criminals discovering their feminine side is about to mysteriously plummet. After all, what’s the point now?

Sorry -thanks to everyone who answered.

I do agree none should be in but I think in some ways this is better in that it will show the figures so starkly. It points out the violence factor and how few are post op - the man in the street still thinks the majority of trans people have had the op.

I hate the poor women who are having to suffer through this experiment though and for their sake I hope the figures and publicity get out there loudly and quickly so there is a complete reversal and it goes back to purely single sex.

Two hundred years ago, parliament passed the Gaols Act that states that male and females should not be imprisoned together.

I will just say that again

TWO HUNDRED YEARS AGO

I remember learning about Elizabeth Fry at school, she was even honoured on a five pound note.

Does anyone actually know how we got to this state of affairs? When did the law change?

The anniversary of the act receiving Royal assent is 10 July 1823.

Remember the date. It is bloody ridiculous that two hundred years on we are still trying to achieve Elizabeth Fry's aim because of an ideology deemed as progressive but in reality taking us back two hundred years.

I agree that D) shouldn't be allowed in, but practically, at this point, I'm willing to concede that in order to get A, B, and C out of the way. Especially as from the stats I've seen hereabouts, there are pretty much zero Ds kicking about the prison system anyway.