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Idea to solve the toilet/changing room 'problem'

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VoodooQualities · 25/02/2023 12:57

  1. Government consults special interest groups (women, trans, disabled, religious etc.)

  2. Guidance is issued on best practices for designing and building mixed sex, inclusive facilities that work, as best as possible, for all the interest groups. (So you know, that'd likely be wall to floor lockable doors, no steps or narrow spaces, sinks and showers inside the cubicles), cleaners and other staff (or CCTV?) highly visible in shared areas etc etc.)

  3. Organisations when doing refurb or new builds, can choose to (a) implement the guidance, or (b) go for traditional sex-segregated, or (3) gender-segregated facilities depending on their beliefs.

  4. Customers and service users can vote with their feet. (Perhaps there's a register so potential patrons can check in advance what the facilities are like.)

  5. Organisations are allowed to challenge customers who transgress boundaries, and customers who do so should expect to be challenged.

I would assume that publicly run facilities like pools and council buildings etc should go for the mixed sex option, done in line with the guidance.

Can I have your thoughts?

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titchy · 25/02/2023 13:14

Confused people who need to access their council services in person can choose not to do so. Kids can choose which school they'd go to depending on facilities on offer. People can choose which employer to work for etc. yeah sure can't see any problem. Hmm

TrombonesAreNotBones · 25/02/2023 13:12

The unsafe part doesn't matter in your system, and you would also require the mixed sex model in leisure centres, so some women would choose to self-exclude.

I might have got wrong end of the stick here, so your thoughts would be most welcome, OP.

lifeturnsonadime · 25/02/2023 13:12

VoodooQualities · 25/02/2023 13:11

No, as I said they can continue to choose single sex if that's what they believe in.

Yes and we know what that will result in from people who do not believe that women exist as a sex class.

titchy · 25/02/2023 13:12

FFS...

People wh

titchy · 25/02/2023 13:11

VoodooQualities · 25/02/2023 13:09

Thanks, but in my system the business owner can choose which to implement, and you get to choose to visit or not. Doesn't that change your mind?

So you're suggesting that people wh

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 25/02/2023 13:11

VoodooQualities · 25/02/2023 13:09

Thanks, but in my system the business owner can choose which to implement, and you get to choose to visit or not. Doesn't that change your mind?

Not when it’s your employer or a school, or a hospital, or a publicly funded facility, no.

obvs places like coffee shops and pubs can just have a completely lockable loo or two and I can choose to go elsewhere.

oakleaffy · 25/02/2023 13:11

Floor to ceiling loos especially risky if someone needs help.
Men should stay out of Women’s facilities.

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VoodooQualities · 25/02/2023 13:11

No, as I said they can continue to choose single sex if that's what they believe in.

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lifeturnsonadime · 25/02/2023 13:10

VoodooQualities · 25/02/2023 13:09

Thanks, but in my system the business owner can choose which to implement, and you get to choose to visit or not. Doesn't that change your mind?

No

Businesses are having to adapt to survive in hard economic times and you expect them to spent £££ to appease males and to risk boycott for nailing their flag to the mast.

It's insanity.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 25/02/2023 13:09

Floor to ceiling poses problems with adverse events (eg a person could become unwell and be unnoticed for a dangerous amount of time, whereas gaps beneath help minimise this).

Plus it makes them much harder to
clean adequately (eg in swimming baths cubicles have drainage beneath partitions and can be hosed down).

A man once out his head under the side of my cubicle in a mixed sex ‘changing village’ (this was before camera phones and spy cams where a thing) and I have not used a mixed sex facility ever since. If everything went gender neutral I would be forced to self exclude (which would have a knock on effect on my daughters who would no longer have a parent available to take them swimming).

Open changing areas are important for team sports.

A few additional, separate, enclosed units (like disabled toilets, only as well as, so that disabled provision isn’t reduced) is all that’s required.
Parents with opposite sex children can use them, as can anyone who refuses to use the existing provision for their biological sex.

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VoodooQualities · 25/02/2023 13:09

Thanks, but in my system the business owner can choose which to implement, and you get to choose to visit or not. Doesn't that change your mind?

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KnickerlessParsons · 25/02/2023 13:09

Floor to ceiling lockable cubicles are also dangerous

My employer refurbished the toilets - some years ago, before gender was a thing.
They put in floor to ceiling doors to the cubicles, men's and women's.

It wasn't long before they had to saw bits off the top and bottom because people complained that there was nowhere for "the smell" to dissipate 😁

lifeturnsonadime · 25/02/2023 13:04

I think this is insanity.

Single sex works and costs much less.

Floor to ceiling lockable cubicles are also dangerous.

The fact that a tiny minority (of males) expect either businesses to spend a fortune to pander to their gender feelings or women to put up and shut up is ridiculous imo.

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VoodooQualities · 25/02/2023 12:59

I meant ceiling to floor in Point 2, not wall to floor

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