Idea to solve the toilet/changing room 'problem'

Exactly this.

It's not fucking complicated.

Pretty sure they don’t want my teeny tiny DD locked up in a man’s prison.

I have an easier, foolproof, solution.

Women who are not bothered about sharing private spaces (changing rooms, toilet, etc) with men can do so. By doing so, they can also show transwomen that there's nothing to worry about by sharing these spaces with men.

Those of us who want to keep sex-based provision can continue to do so.

No adaptions or contortions needed.

But do they actively want to exclude trans men or non binary women and girls from female spaces?

But if we segregated by gender…. And there are 92 genders and rising…. That’s a hell of a lot of toilets in each building isn’t it?

Single sex facilities work very well for women. I have no interest in negotiating away women's right to safety, privacy and dignity. If there is a group who feels their needs are not being met then they are free to campaign for their own facilities rather than demanding access to womens.

Women have said no to men in women's spaces, we will not compromise.

The government has already had a consultation on toilet provision and there has already been a statement given in parliment outlining the changes they plan to make to building regulations. It's a lot more sensible than the OP's suggestions. Basically there needs to be single sex provision plus some 'gender neutral' provision plus accessibility provision.

Unfortunately the TRAs don't like that, they want access to the female toilets (never mind that having a gender neutral toilet similar to disabled toilets would actually make things safer for transmen).

No one minds additional facilities being created for those who feel they need something other than sex based provision.

What women are having to do now is go to bloody court to demand and enforce that accessible spaces are equally kept and provided for females who can only access female only spaces.

Why is this necessary?

Due to fantastically entitled men with a quite staggeringly misogynist political lobby behind them. Who don't want accessible facilities for themselves: who want to remove female only spaces from females and openly enjoy the impact, the exclusion, the dominance, the control.

Fuck. That. Fuck it to the far side of fuck and then fuck it some more. Let's face it: a LOT of this is about that men are going to have to learn to cope with the word no.

I did have to laugh wryly at that.

In the course of the 'consultations' for the GRR bill, the Scottish Government consulted only women's groups who follow the tenets of TWAW, as set by...the Scottish Government (whose policy of TWAW without public knowledge or consultation was criticised by a judge during a court case). Those same groups are funded either partially or entirely...by the Scottish Government, under the 'inclusive' requirements of the 'Equally Safe' funding stream.

So I have no confidence at all in institutionally captured Government's 'consultations'.

And it does sound very much that anyone who disagreed with mixed sex being 'the best option' would just told 'tough shit - you can just self exclude'.

Inclusivity. Isn't it brilliant 🙄

What I meant was, I know lots of young women who want to welcome transwomen into their spaces because they believe TWAW

But why should they be able to give away the rights of other women?

As a pp has stated young trans boys tend to use female facilities as it is safer.

Amending facilities to accommodate men who want everything just doesn't benefit women and actually is to our detriment.

Also, I know lots of people, women included (mostly young) who adamantly want gender segregation not sex segregation.

You really know lots of women who do not want share spaces with women simply because they are gender non conforming?

Even mermaids say gender is a spectrum. How would if be possible to segregate by a spectrum?

There are currently 2 types of toilet; single sex and single access. Single sex facilities are offered with either urinals or sanitary waste bins. Single access should also offer adult changing facilities and sanitary waste bins, they take up a lot of room which means you can't fit so many in.
Women are already so disadvantaged by toilet provision that the Govt was at one point considering permitting venues to offer more women's cubicles than men's. (This is already permitted in some licenced premises, which can offer more men's toilets than women's so I have no idea what the hold up is.)

Instead it looks like they are going to introduce a third type; mixed sex. Again, these disadvantage women who are unable to use mixed sex facilities, and there is no evidence they are as safe as single sex facilities.

Its not women who have created this situation but yet again its women who have to move over.

One of mine currently identifies as a boy.

Still uses the female provision because she knows it’s safest for her, seeing as she has a 5’ 3” female body and humans can’t actually change sex.

Women and other girls are perfectly capable of understanding that the tiny person in the oversized men’s clothing and ever-present woolly hat is a girl (who prefers to be called a boy’s name).

and all those youngsters I mentioned who believe TWAW.

My daughter currently is of the TWAW mantra.

That's definitely not a good reason to pander to males who want everything.

Or maybe, jut maybe - we could stop tying ourselves in knots to avoid saying NO to some individuals?

Single sex facilities is the optimum option.

Interestingly, not long after the consultation I referred to in my earlier post the EHRC reiterated the EQA regarding single sex spaces and confirmed that it is indeed a legitimate aim to keep the spaces single sex and all TW can be excluded from female single sex toilets whether or not they have a GRC.

Of course the TRAs protested this, they treated the EHRC to a 'Piss Protest' outside the building, tipping bottles of urine over themselves, throwing urine on the pavement and at the building, leaving full bottles of urine outside the building - and we are led to believe that these self same people are too afraid to pee in the men's toilets?

Males using female toilets - however they identify, whatever they are wearing, whatever modifications or alterations they have made to their body or none - are doing so as an exercise in power, domination and control over women, nothing more and nothing less.

I will also say that when I was elsewhere there were some parents going to send their children to the (children's) toilets they then panic just in case they are mixed too and take there child over themselves (usually they access them independently) so it's clearly an issue

Visited a Hospital in another area that had 3 toilets in their foyer, Women, Men, Everyone else.

Seemed like a good solution

Urgh I ended up in mixed sex toilets yesterday in a science museum they were usually womens for some reason yesterday they were not so everyone sent there husbands in with the children to use the toilet I went in by myself there was an embarrassed man and one with his daughter pointing out loudly there is a queue! (Yes which you pushed into with your daughter) then a toilet became available dad and daughter making heavy eye contact with me (honestly I felt he expected me to step aside) so I went to the toilet which were manky (usually very clean I go there a lot) he was preaching outside the doors about parents letting the children go first and how different it was to be able to take his own child to.the toilet (it was a girl) I just washed my hands and left but it changed the whole atmosphere of the place normally you go in do your thing and go out why is there a need for conversation? Why is there a need to be so fucking LOUD ABOUT EVERYTHING shut up pee wash and leave 😒

I fucking hate it in future I will be sticking to Starbucks single cubicles locks and a camera outside