Idea to solve the toilet/changing room 'problem'

there will OBVIOUSLY be a way for someone inside to override the 15 mins timer

I've never used a sanisette that had that option in my life.

Which is why it’s better to let the adults decide.

Yeah, about that... No thanks!
I don't see any need whatsoever, to be looking for ways in which to help men inveigle their way into womens spaces!
End of!

Road to hell/good intentions.

This is batshit and still implies that male desire is a female responsibility to fulfill.

I don't want to be fucking spotted struggling to wipe my own arse because of MS. If I need help, I'll call for it assuming there is a pull alarm thing.

Theatres I've been to normally have long queues for women's toilets and no queues for mens. Maybe it would improve things.

Gloucester Services has good toilet facilities and the family toilets are mixed. They have always been immaculate when I've used.

No thanks. Single sex spaces and any interest groups dissatisfied with that can lobby or crowd fund for additional third spaces, just as long as these don't replace or displace any existing facilities. Women are not a special interest group, we are half the human race and I'm tired of being asked to come up with solutions to a problem that's not of our making.

Will there?

Please do point me towards the designs because this sounds like a fucking horrow show waiting to happen.

That’ll be LOVELY for people who need more than 15 mins due to I dunno, adjusting medical devices or having a miscarriage or just really bad shits.

Exposed directly to passers by automatic doors as if you are the fucking speedboat prize on an episode of Bullseye.

What the fuck are they thinking?

Just so we are clear. Non-binary is narcissistic bullshit.

Have you honestly been in women's toilets that are never smelly or messy? I haven't.

I spent that last 40 years working in old buildings with individual mixed sex toilets, not cubicles a proper room, and they were no messier or smelly than women's toilets.

So if bullying goes on in toilet blocks in schools you think that's OK?

They take up a lot more space than the tradional toilet set up, though.

Its ok if businesses have the space and money to provide them, but if not, the number if toilets is reduced. That could lead to problems in places like service stations or in theatres in the interval.

Are toilet blocks with flimsy partitions with gaps at the top and bottom really good for safety, privacy and dignity? I seem to remember as a school girl they were where the bullies hung out and intimidated quieter/younger girls. Walking into a toilet block at night when it is quiet can be very scary.

but they still end up smelling and being messy. I'd prefer women's toilets to individual mixed sex cubicles that open on to a hallway.

A local high school had mixed sex facilities. Self contained cubicles with floor to ceiling walls. six on either side of a corridor each with a central sink. Due to complaints they've designated one side for girls other side for boys.

My local hospital has self contained toilets, floor to ceiling opening on to a normal corridor. It seems to work. Our local public toilets are all being changed to separate toilets rather than a block with cubicles. The doors automatically unlock and open after a certain time (think its 15 minutes) so people in trouble would be spotted. I prefer them, hate walking into a toilet block particularly at night.

How could you really vote with your feet though?

So loads of new builds decide to go for the mixed sex option. I hate it, but don't have a lot of choice when i'm in those places, so I'll end up using it. They aren't going to record my unhappiness about it, so it'll look like a win.

Or I'll go elsehwere, and they won't know that I've gone elsewhere, because again there will be no measurements for that. They'll just look at people using the mixed sex facility and think 'great, it's working'.

Or I might not go to the place at all. This would restrict my life if it's somewhere I wanted to go but can't, or needed to go. And again, they aren't really going to know about it. OK if there are two identical coffee shops side by side and they can measure who uses the mixed sex one and who uses the one with sex segregated facilities, maybe. But in reality, no. And I'll just not end up going to place I'd like to.

And even if they do realise that people aren't liking it, they're hardly going to spend large sums to re-do the facilities at that point, especially if they aren't doing well as a business. Or if they are a council-funded place with no funding for renovations either. So again we're stuck with them.

In reality, women will just end up silently unhappy with all the mixed sex options, but not really be able to do anything about it.

And I have no desperate need to avoid mixed sex facilities really; I just don't like them. Men's facilities smell and are messy, and I'd rather not have them in mine. I prefer privacy and dignity. I don't feel particularly unsafe, but I can see that others would feel quite unsafe or triggered. So for very many reasons, I don't see why we should get rid of single sex facilities given that that is what most women are likely to prefer.

If you want to have choices, why not do a big consultation on every new building with all the likely users, and find out exactly what people prefer and why. And if mixed sex spaces are needed, then incorporate a few places in line with the proportion of people that feel they have to have them.

And this is where the whole edifice of Gender Ideology falls down and exposes it for the Men's Rights Agenda it is - Transmen are men - ah, but not when it comes to stuff like prisons or even toilets and changing rooms and especially not when it comes to hereditary titles or estates BUT transwomen are always women when it comes to spaces and services but are men when there is a chance of inheriting a title or estate. And blinkered fools buy this guff.

You are trying to negotiate with a group who are constantly changing the rules.

First it was for a incredibly small group of people who didnt want to stand out. The implication being that they wouldn't go where they didnt pass.

Then it was trans visibility, where it didnt matter if they passed as the opposite sex or not

Then it was fluid, could be women one day, a man the next.

Now we have people who claim to be neither male or female, man or woman.

We are never going to get public facilities to match their demands.

There are massive arguments inside transland at the moment re: who gets to be a lesbian - actual homosexual women who take testosterone and use male stereotype names have long been part of lesbian culture but the men who say they are lesbians are demanding that superbutches and non binary-identifying female people who are exclusively orientated towards other females are kicked out of lesbianism in favour of biological-chaps-in-blouses.

It’s a shitshow.