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the Sex topic on MN

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beastlyslumber · 25/02/2023 09:45

I couldn't see a thread in FWR, though there are plenty in Site Stuff and AIBU. I thought it would be good to hear what women here think, especially about the safeguarding fails. MN hosting discussion of people graphically describing CSA and a 'sex chat' for people to find hook ups. Justine's response was to say that maybe they underestimated the negative impact, but they're going to carry on anyway. Posters who've reported threads and comments have been ignored.

I don't see how MN can keep going as a parenting site if it is failing on very basic safeguarding. Someone on another thread pointed out that sex forums at least have a bare minimum of safeguards, such as age verification, a list of banned topics, and active moderation (rather than the after-the-fact reports and deletions MN usually do.)

There are also concerns that it changes the nature of the people coming to post on MN and generally makes women less able to access the help and advice they need. I've noticed for a while that there's more victim blaming and misogyny in the relationships topic - apparently MN changed the posting rules last year so that new users only have to wait 7 days to post in the sex topic, where it was previously 90. So it's possible that the change there is related to that.

Sorry for the long OP! Just really wondering what women here think.

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FebName · 20/03/2023 17:44

Weren't you the one saying, just ignore it! Don't engage with them!

Touché :)

beastlyslumber · 20/03/2023 16:05

FebName · 20/03/2023 14:18

Stop telling other women how to behave in the face of misogyny and abuse.

Jesus F Christ! Exactly where am I telling people what to post! Fuck me even this board had gone all angry!

What the fuck is wrong with Mnet nowadays!

This board used to be polite and welcoming.

Weren't you the one saying, just ignore it! Don't engage with them!

If that was someone else, apologies.

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CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 20/03/2023 14:25

HeyYallDamnRight · 20/03/2023 12:08

🤣🤢🤣🤢🤣🤢🤣🤢 Couldn't decide on the most appropriate emoji.

So, so odd. Yet posters that use that topic tell us they can spot the weirdos and do report them themselves. When that sort of shit isn’t seen as weird/pervy/seedy, they’re clearly not the best judges. Or if some are reporting, mumsnet feels it’s ok.

And now I see a few of us have had posts deleted on this thread.... but of course mr easy access trousers and mr sex toy box.... well his posts are just fine. 🙄

Boak 🤢

FebName · 20/03/2023 14:19

farfromthecoast · 20/03/2023 11:40

I can't turn around without seeing a man trying to force his bullshit world view on others. There was transgender woman at femvox earlier today talking about their love of lace and lingerie before they got whomped.

Some of them just can't read a room but fuck, some of them just want to wreck the room. So fucking sick of them.

I missed that! Has the thread been completely deleted?

FebName · 20/03/2023 14:18

Stop telling other women how to behave in the face of misogyny and abuse.

Jesus F Christ! Exactly where am I telling people what to post! Fuck me even this board had gone all angry!

What the fuck is wrong with Mnet nowadays!

This board used to be polite and welcoming.

SerafinasGoose · 20/03/2023 12:57

HeyYallDamnRight · 20/03/2023 12:10

This.

How strange that posters are questioning why we’d engage with them. Should these posters go unchallenged. I think not.

I was one the poster to whom the one making this point responded. For clarification, I merely said that I didn't engage with specific posters touting particularly grim organizations (a charity now under investigation for its dubious practices and associations, and a particularly repulsive 'information exchange'). I'm not questioning how others choose to interact: I was speaking for myself alone, specifically with the PIE handle I gave as an example.

They post the same old repetitive shite and derail threads, going round and round in circles. It's that kind of deliberately provocative behaviour - designed purposely to disrupt the site - that I'm disinclined to humour. Some do - others who post on this board have reached the same conclusion as mine.

The troller/disrupter seemingly has inexhaustible energy for the same, ever-decreasing-circle of repetitive discussion. I don't.

beastlyslumber · 20/03/2023 12:39

No compunction about posting or about reporting comments here.

I don't go anywhere near their grim, fetid, sweaty little corner of MN but they aren't satisfied having their own space, they have to make sure others are watching.

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Clymene · 20/03/2023 12:37

I saw that thread. It was disgustingly dismissive of the woman who started it.

On a side note, I find it incredibly creepy how quickly the sex person jumped on your post this morning @beastlyslumber.

And slightly ironic that they don't want feminists posting in seedy central but have no compunction about posting on FWR.

beastlyslumber · 20/03/2023 12:21

These posters have no trouble reporting comments that show them in a bad light, but God forbid you ever criticise their "right" to share some nasty details about their kinks or fetishes. I'm so sick of it. Why are my comments getting deleted? I'm not the one telling rape victims they're hysterical.

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HeyYallDamnRight · 20/03/2023 12:10

beastlyslumber · 20/03/2023 12:01

Well, because I don't want to let rape apologism and misogyny go unchallenged. Why should they be allowed to spread their bullshit all over every thread with no response? Stop telling other women how to behave in the face of misogyny and abuse.

This.

How strange that posters are questioning why we’d engage with them. Should these posters go unchallenged. I think not.

HeyYallDamnRight · 20/03/2023 12:08

BatFaceOwl · 20/03/2023 11:48

@HeyYallDamnRight I know right? What a .. niche problem to have

🤣🤢🤣🤢🤣🤢🤣🤢 Couldn't decide on the most appropriate emoji.

So, so odd. Yet posters that use that topic tell us they can spot the weirdos and do report them themselves. When that sort of shit isn’t seen as weird/pervy/seedy, they’re clearly not the best judges. Or if some are reporting, mumsnet feels it’s ok.

And now I see a few of us have had posts deleted on this thread.... but of course mr easy access trousers and mr sex toy box.... well his posts are just fine. 🙄

beastlyslumber · 20/03/2023 12:01

FebName · 20/03/2023 11:30

They are not even hiding who they are. I won't waste typeface engaging with those types.

This with bells on! Why do posters engage with them?

Just ignore them!

There's a thread recently obviously started by a TRA, I just don't know why posters bother responding,

Well, because I don't want to let rape apologism and misogyny go unchallenged. Why should they be allowed to spread their bullshit all over every thread with no response? Stop telling other women how to behave in the face of misogyny and abuse.

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BatFaceOwl · 20/03/2023 11:48

@HeyYallDamnRight I know right? What a .. niche problem to have

HeyYallDamnRight · 20/03/2023 11:45

But it's ok! He found a seamstress to make the zip go all the way round or something

Oh my god, I missed that ‘update’.

Just been and read it. Wtaf? This is just not in any way normal.

farfromthecoast · 20/03/2023 11:40

I can't turn around without seeing a man trying to force his bullshit world view on others. There was transgender woman at femvox earlier today talking about their love of lace and lingerie before they got whomped.

Some of them just can't read a room but fuck, some of them just want to wreck the room. So fucking sick of them.

BatFaceOwl · 20/03/2023 11:36

@HeyYallDamnRight I was literally agog and hooting at the bloke who needs trousers with easy access. Joggers won't do apparently.

But it's ok! He found a seamstress to make the zip go all the way round or something

I mean - the mind boggles

The sex toy box also a very good case in point. Of course anyone can find a box to put things in on the internet or in a shop. You're quite right - it's not about 'try Amazon' .. it's about 'let's talk about my huge sex toy collection'

Oh and that particular bloke always mentions how he's got kids in the house but not to worry, there'll soon be at uni so he can have all this stuff out in the open.

FebName · 20/03/2023 11:30

They are not even hiding who they are. I won't waste typeface engaging with those types.

This with bells on! Why do posters engage with them?

Just ignore them!

There's a thread recently obviously started by a TRA, I just don't know why posters bother responding,

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 20/03/2023 10:54

Mermaidparades · 20/03/2023 09:27

@CryptoFascistMadameCholet as I wrote in the next sentence : ‘however, it is important to give the full details.’

You aren’t giving any details tho (which is actually a good thing as it’s not your experience and you are just hand waving another woman’s account of violation away) you are just trailing around the website making excuses for men engaging in non-consensual behaviours.

HeyYallDamnRight · 20/03/2023 10:34

BatFaceOwl · 20/03/2023 10:11

I'd probably like to see the sex topic go. It's like some sort of seedy little corner where the usual suspects try and think of ever more weird things to discuss - from one bloke who wants a special zip put in his pants so he can get them off quicker when he's wanting to shag outdoors to another who wants to treat his wife to a butt plug as a gift for her to wear whilst out and about for the day

I don't actually have any issues with the above stuff being discussed. Couldn't care less

The issue is it being hosted here on Mumsnet. So jarring.

I agree. It’s like a separate site over there, it doesn’t fit with mumsnet at all. But that’s because on every other part of the site it’s overwhelmingly women posting and over there it’s mostly men. It’s pretty sickening.

That bloke and his easy access trousers. 🙄 And the thread about wanting advice on buying a smallish box for his sex toys, a few posts in and it turned into him needing a chest or a trunk to fit them all into. The escalation in the size of box needed was rapid because I get the feeling it was about him getting off to others reactions about his huge collection of toys. 🤮🤢 Are these the users mumsnet wants to attract?

And no I’m not a prude or a pearl clutcher or anything they’ll accuse me of. I like sex as much as the next person but if I need a box to store sex toys, I’m pretty sure I can manage to find that all by myself.....normal people do not need to talk about it on mumsnet. It’s oversharing and that’s a fetish in itself. Again, do mumsnet want this?

It’s no wonder that when we invite that sort of poster here, we’re going to get posters who do not stand for women’s rights and don’t have a problem with a woman being violated. And of course they have to tell us how great the sex board is at every opportunity.

beastlyslumber · 20/03/2023 10:19

BatFaceOwl · 20/03/2023 10:11

I'd probably like to see the sex topic go. It's like some sort of seedy little corner where the usual suspects try and think of ever more weird things to discuss - from one bloke who wants a special zip put in his pants so he can get them off quicker when he's wanting to shag outdoors to another who wants to treat his wife to a butt plug as a gift for her to wear whilst out and about for the day

I don't actually have any issues with the above stuff being discussed. Couldn't care less

The issue is it being hosted here on Mumsnet. So jarring.

I wish it didn't exist here. It has made such a difference to the tone of the rest of the site and the kind of posters that comment. Used to be that relationships was a good place for women to discuss their issues, now we have to wade through pages of misogynistic comments before we can get anywhere. Used to be the occasional rape apologist or sexist man talking shite, now there's hundreds of comments like that.

I think the sex topic and lack of safeguarding around it has made a big difference. I can't prove it, though. But I think so.

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SerafinasGoose · 20/03/2023 10:14

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The screen handle is quite a giveaway, IMO.

Same as the one all over women's rights topics ending in the suffix 'PIE'.

They are not even hiding who they are. I won't waste typeface engaging with those types.

BatFaceOwl · 20/03/2023 10:13

And based on that thread that I've also looked at, you are a rape apologist @Mermaidparades

All you care about is keeping in with the dysfunctional males loitering in here

BatFaceOwl · 20/03/2023 10:11

I'd probably like to see the sex topic go. It's like some sort of seedy little corner where the usual suspects try and think of ever more weird things to discuss - from one bloke who wants a special zip put in his pants so he can get them off quicker when he's wanting to shag outdoors to another who wants to treat his wife to a butt plug as a gift for her to wear whilst out and about for the day

I don't actually have any issues with the above stuff being discussed. Couldn't care less

The issue is it being hosted here on Mumsnet. So jarring.

MassiveWordSalad · 20/03/2023 10:09

I've had a look at the thread @beastlyslumber is talking about, and here is a quote from the OP's second post on the thread:

"However this was not an accident. He did this intentionally - he just didnt ask me first. We did not agree to stop using this method. He always always pulls out and that is very clear. However He said he thought he would "just go for it". We did not discuss this. We talked about a 3rd baby one day in the future."

I can't understand why anyone would think her husband's behaviour was reasonable. He carried out a sex act that she did not agree to. That is a violation, and she said she felt violated. Unfortunately of course the idiots who like to pile on any AIBU thread are there picking apart her contraception choices, which are entirely beside the point. Anyone who thinks what her husband did was fine needs to take a long look at themselves.

beastlyslumber · 20/03/2023 10:07

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