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Autistic teen told to call male TA “Mx” & not “Sir” or “Mr *name*

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BethDuttonsTwin · 24/02/2023 16:51

This happened to dd this morning at school. She then came out of school at told me she no longer wants one to one help in her lessons - her EHCP says 25 hours a week. It’s too difficult to remember what to call him and she’s embarrassed she will get it wrong in front of the other students.

What now? I want to make a formal complaint. Am raging tbh. Can someone tell me who I need to be contacting please? The school are totally woke and rainbow soaked. Thank you.

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LetThemEatTurnips · 24/02/2023 17:33

bellac11 · 24/02/2023 17:28

I work with kids (not a teacher), it doesnt bother me if they get my name wrong (I have a tricky name for some), or if I got married and changed my name and pre fix it wouldnt bother me if they forget because people are human

Sounds as if a vulnerable child is being criticized for getting things wrong and now she's anxious about it.

Not to mention that in order to try to explain all this to the daughter means exposing her to confusing gender ideology which isnt accurate and could worry her or she could become obsessed with it (most young girls thinking that they are trans have ASD as a co existing disorder)

Thanks @bellac11 so the primary issue may not be the change of name itself, but the strictness of the requirement to get it right?

Thank you for explaining something to me that I did not understand. I know we are all supposed to 'educate ourselves' but that is a big old load of bollocks tbh, it has long been the human way to ask questions of other humans!

bellac11 · 24/02/2023 17:31

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 24/02/2023 17:30

But the social price for accidentally using a woman’s maiden name is low

the social price for ‘misgendering’ can be very, very high

Absolutely, a hate crime and literal violence.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 24/02/2023 17:30

LetThemEatTurnips · 24/02/2023 17:28

I didn't say that, I asked is it different in impact to someone changing their name from Miss to Mrs.

Do you think it is more difficult than that change?

Because presumably female teachers regularly change their names.

But the social price for accidentally using a woman’s maiden name is low

the social price for ‘misgendering’ can be very, very high

LetThemEatTurnips · 24/02/2023 17:30

bellac11 · 24/02/2023 17:25

How do you pronounce that. Is it Ms (mzz) but with an x in writing but not in speaking?

dictionary.cambridge.org/us/pronunciation/english/mx

I just looked it up, it is pronounced as I would read the two letters put together.

Saturdaynoon · 24/02/2023 17:30

I've googled. It's pronounced mix or mux

nilsmousehammer · 24/02/2023 17:29

It is a truth not acknowledged that gender ideology causes a number of specific challenges for people with Autism.

I think the normal thing to suggest is 'educate yourself'?

gobbledoops · 24/02/2023 17:29

I think that you could ask your teen to either do her best to remember or fall back on name only. In parallel, send an email to the school explaining that your teen is doing her best to remember but that this is adding to her anxiety about school. This way you are not outing yourself and your child as GC and risking repercussions.

RoseslnTheHospital · 24/02/2023 17:29

Unsurprisingly it can take children a long time to remember to call a teacher who has got married Mrs and any new surname. Years even, when students without thinking would refer to the previous name, usually if they had been taught by that teacher before the name and title change for several years. And I don't know any female teacher who ever made any kind of fuss about children getting it wrong.

bellac11 · 24/02/2023 17:28

LetThemEatTurnips · 24/02/2023 17:23

I can't see how someone changing their name from Mr Jones to Mx Jones any more 'difficult' or 'confusing' than someone changing their name from Miss Smith to Mrs Wilson?

Would you complain if a TA asked your child to call them Mrs instead of Miss after getting married?

I assume what you really mean is you don't want your child to have a TA who is 'Mx'. If that is the case, be honest about it.

I work with kids (not a teacher), it doesnt bother me if they get my name wrong (I have a tricky name for some), or if I got married and changed my name and pre fix it wouldnt bother me if they forget because people are human

Sounds as if a vulnerable child is being criticized for getting things wrong and now she's anxious about it.

Not to mention that in order to try to explain all this to the daughter means exposing her to confusing gender ideology which isnt accurate and could worry her or she could become obsessed with it (most young girls thinking that they are trans have ASD as a co existing disorder)

LetThemEatTurnips · 24/02/2023 17:28

Crikeyisthatthetime · 24/02/2023 17:26

Really, you really can't see how it could provoke anxiety in an autistic teen?

I didn't say that, I asked is it different in impact to someone changing their name from Miss to Mrs.

Do you think it is more difficult than that change?

Because presumably female teachers regularly change their names.

nilsmousehammer · 24/02/2023 17:26

Mix? Mux? Muzz?

Crikeyisthatthetime · 24/02/2023 17:26

LetThemEatTurnips · 24/02/2023 17:23

I can't see how someone changing their name from Mr Jones to Mx Jones any more 'difficult' or 'confusing' than someone changing their name from Miss Smith to Mrs Wilson?

Would you complain if a TA asked your child to call them Mrs instead of Miss after getting married?

I assume what you really mean is you don't want your child to have a TA who is 'Mx'. If that is the case, be honest about it.

Really, you really can't see how it could provoke anxiety in an autistic teen?

RoseslnTheHospital · 24/02/2023 17:25

This infuriates me as an ex -teacher. I would often be called Mrs Roses when I'm a Miss, on occasion I would be called 'Mum' or 'Sir' or even 'Dad'. Never mind all the times my surname was mispronounced. It shouldn't matter in the slightest and kids should not be made to feel anxious or worried about making a mistake or saying the wrong thing. Because in the context of teaching them, it doesn't matter.

This is especially important for a one to one TA role for SEN support, and anyone doing that role should be able to put their ego and validation needs aside in order to do the best for their student.

bellac11 · 24/02/2023 17:25

How do you pronounce that. Is it Ms (mzz) but with an x in writing but not in speaking?

LetThemEatTurnips · 24/02/2023 17:23

I can't see how someone changing their name from Mr Jones to Mx Jones any more 'difficult' or 'confusing' than someone changing their name from Miss Smith to Mrs Wilson?

Would you complain if a TA asked your child to call them Mrs instead of Miss after getting married?

I assume what you really mean is you don't want your child to have a TA who is 'Mx'. If that is the case, be honest about it.

RudsyFarmer · 24/02/2023 17:23

How do you even say that?

Soontobe60 · 24/02/2023 17:21

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 24/02/2023 17:14

There was a post the other day about a mum who had gotten ‘no exposure to gender ideology’ added to her child’s EHCP. Worth digging that out for some ideas on how to approach this?

I completely disagree with a previous commenter - all three of my kids have entirely different complex needs and I wouldn’t just suck up any of them having their own access to education compromised by an adult’s special identity category.

I’m not one for playing oppression top trumps generally but surely everyone can agree that a special needs child’s ability to access appropriate educational support should be prioritised over an adult’s special name request?

Yes, I follow her on Twitter. twitter.com/stopfordianr?s=21&t=YotbaI9s-YZYk79dSPBtpw

SignOnTheWindow · 24/02/2023 17:20

What was the manner in which he requested/demanded this?

Was it as a friendly introduction or more of a telling off for getting it 'wrong'?
I'd approach the SEND lead with your concerns that your daughter is afraid of getting it wrong. It may be that the TA will be as lasse faire about this as I was when students called me Miss or Mrs (I'd introduce myself as Ms, but never actually pick them up on if when they forgot).
If he's going to nit pick and get arsey about it, then that's problematic for your daughter and her needs come before his.

DarkShade · 24/02/2023 17:20

www.womensrights.network/communication-disability-discrimination Hi OP don't know if this resource might help, Another MNer posted this website on a different thread, it includes a template letter to send to the school explaining why your child might struggle with the pronouns.

Geiger · 24/02/2023 17:19

No advice but am infuriated for you. I'm assuming you've had to go through massive hoops and turmoil to say the least to get to the point where your DD has been able to get some support, and now it's on the brink of being ruined by this utter idiocy. This is one of my many (many) issues with this ideology. It's not reasonable to expect people with their own needs and problems, not least people with disabilities, to comply with these ridiculous demands for forms of address on pain of punishment.
I'm so sorry for you.

Trainnerd · 24/02/2023 17:18

How do you say Mx out loud?

We have one at work and so far I’ve not needed to say it but have zero idea what I’d say if I ever have to. It just doesn’t make any sense to me.

GCMM · 24/02/2023 17:18

Is this in the UK? I've heard that lots of non-binary teachers in the US call themselves Mx, but never heard of it in the UK. Anyway, push back on it hard, for your daughter's sake.

nilsmousehammer · 24/02/2023 17:16

I’m not one for playing oppression top trumps generally but surely everyone can agree that a special needs child’s ability to access appropriate educational support should be prioritised over an adult’s special name request?

Particularly when that adult is being employed to provide services to the child ffs. And therefore can reasonably expected to understand Autism, the requirements of the law and entitlements of disabled children in education, and to place the needs of the child they are being paid to help above their own wishes.

But this is assuming that the TA is not aware of the havoc they have caused and is unwilling to repair the damage. If they're worth their contract and pay, they will be.

'needs to comply with the wishes of' (a member of staff)..... still reeling on that one. Absolutely bloody NOT.

ThisIsWednesday · 24/02/2023 17:16

HermioneWeasley · 24/02/2023 16:58

This person isn’t suitable to work with your DD. The school need to find someone who is

This person isn't suitable to work in schooling. Schools teach science.

It makes me think of flat Earthers teaching geography or physics.

WaveyGodshawk · 24/02/2023 17:16

How on earth would you even pronounce "Mx"
So unfair and confusing