Why yes id bat a lot of eyelashes, erm I mean eyelids at that. I'd probably if the reality was like the picture ask them if they were in the right toilet. But that's on them for doing that to their body. If that person is a woman they are entitled to go in the women's facilities.

Swap you a whisky for this very softly ripened Manchego and some lovely Membrillo.

Oh I do! I have whisky. Not sure what kind as I don’t drink it. It’s for guests lol. I seem to have missed all the cheese 😭😭😭.

I've had rather a lot of cheese. Have you got a nice malt, instead?

A 'hulking' AFAB can't get a woman pregnant, and is statistically hugely unlikely to sexually assault or rape a woman, of course.

If they's taken enough T and done enough surgery to look convincing then I think that yes, they should use the men's spaces because they might make some women uncomfortable or anxious.

They aren't going to be a threat to anyone (although their own threat would be increased if they use the male spaces, but that's presumably something they've chosen to do.)

A FTM person using male spaces is not the exact equivalent of a MTF person using female spaces. In so very many ways and for very obvious reasons.

Is this another one of those faux gotcha threads? Yawn. I’m off to make baileys hot chocolate. Anyone want one?

No I'm suggesting you are.

I don't really want anyone with an automatic rifle in the loo, thanks.

LOL

I absolutely welcome biologically female 'transmen' into women's bathrooms.
Especially if it keeps 'transwomen' in male bathrooms.

Still a woman. Still can use the women only spaces.

Someone being me gin!

so you're confirming you're full of shit.

At least you’ve got 0 per cent chance of that female marine raping you. So if males with a trans identity are getting beaten up in the mens room (allegedly), why is that womens problem? We’re not the ones beating them up. If men are so bigoted that they can’t accept gender non conforming males in their spaces, you need to talk to them and tell them to cope with it.
If Elliot page commited a crime, would you send her to male prison. She’s not a hulking marine. So would she be safe in male gen pop? If so then so would a six foot male with a trans identity.

I don't quite know why this is considered a gotcha. There are plenty of equally "hulking" trans women who we are expected to share spaces with and trans activists lose the plot when we point out their obvious maleness.

Does a AFAB hulking marine belong in the ladies' room?

In a hypothetical situation where I was given a choice of sharing an intimate space with with a TW or a "hulking AFAB marine" I'd go with the AFAB marine. Statistically I'd be much safer.

LOL. You "GC" transphobes are so full of sh*t, it's hilarious.

So you'd not bat an eye if this "lady" walked into the ladies' room?

Transwomen are told to get out of the ladies room to preserve the safety and the dignity of women, because transwomen are men.

they probably wouldn't. It's a hypo.

But since trans women are told to get out of the ladies' room so they can go get beaten up and raped in the mens' room, the flip side is a curious question. Does a AFAB hulking marine belong in the ladies' room?

I’m also not sure what the hypothetical person’s sexual orientation has to do with it.

Lesbians use the women’s toilets because they are women. ‘Just fancying’ women is not a barrier to female people using the women’s loos.

They’d still be female.

You know the surgery doesn’t actually produce a real, functional penis don’t you?

Ok to push this hypothetical situation, what if they totally passed as a man, had penis surgery and just fancied women so decided to use the women's toilets?

Who is going to check the degree of transition exactly??

And what are we going to do with all the women who cannot use mixed sex spaces even when the male person has had extensive cosmetic surgery?

She wouldn't have a penis: women don't!

Link here:

www.attitude.co.uk/news/world/london-gay-sauna-kicks-out-trans-man-for-not-having-a-penis-297475/

Why should men and boys have to compromise their privacy for some females who want to be men?

I think because society is fast moving on and I think insisting that very masculinised TM continue to use the ladies is completely unrealistic. I also think it's unrealistic to insist that very feminised TW continue to use the mens. I'm not saying that I think this is right I just don't think it's realistic.

So there needs to be a solution. At the moment it is female services that are most under attack (women's toilets change to unisex whilst men keep theirs) and yet it is women who are most affected and tirelessly campaigning to maintain their spaces.

There are no campaigns calling for privacy and dignity and safety for men. Men are not afraid of women. Most boys will go into changing areas with their mothers until the age of 8 or so and I doubt the occasional masculinised woman in their space will freak them out if they even notice.

Society is changing but women still need protection and dignity and space away from males. A compromise needs to be made (unless third spaces are mandated) and I think on this occasion it is men who need to make the compromise because it is men who make it necessary for women to have to have separate spaces in the first place. It is the least they can do.

There was an incident a few years ago when a trans male went to a gay men-only sauna, and was thrown out, and then complained

The sauna apologised but did point out that the make clientele had complained to the manager when they had seen their naked form