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Why aren't more woman (and men) worried about

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GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 20:44

trans women and men self identifying part time or full time as trans women and this:

reduxx.info/scotland-crossdressing-butcher-arrested-in-case-of-missing-child/

reduxx.info/uk-man-who-identified-himself-as-female-sentenced-after-sexually-assaulting-woman-in-train-station-bathroom/

reduxx.info/trans-artist-with-diaper-fetish-to-host-family-event-at-sheffield-central-library/

reduxx.info/suspect-arrested-after-making-bomb-threats-reported-as-intersexual-and-a-woman/

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-64729029

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/11/karen-white-how-manipulative-and-controlling-offender-attacked-again-transgender-prison

Why do women have to move over for men who identify as women? Why are women's concerns thrown to the side to ensure the concerns of men who identify as woman are concerned first?

Why aren't more women (and men) worried that woman are being told to step aside to consider men that want to be or identify as women as more important?

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GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 21:58

StarsSand · 22/02/2023 21:55

There is a specific board for these posts.

YABVU to post here.

Why?

Does this matter not concern all women and the safety of all women?

Should women run off to the space deemed appropriate. Does talking about women's safety offend you?

But us that speak out about concerns around safety in our little box/area? Why does this topic worry you, surely you can just ignore it if uninteresting as you might ignore other threads that you find uninteresting?

I was at the end of the day asking AIBU and you can easily vote that I am.

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GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 21:55

maddy68 · 22/02/2023 21:52

Because most of us realise that measures are in place (generally!) To ensure safety and most of us aren't transphobic and aim to en inclusive

Are measures in place?

Isla Bryson went to a woman's prison and was only removed from it after a major uprising in concern. If people didn't speak out the male rapist would be in a woman's prison where he wanted to be.

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StarsSand · 22/02/2023 21:55

There is a specific board for these posts.

YABVU to post here.

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GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 21:53

PutinSmellsPassItOn · 22/02/2023 21:37

You should never form your.opinion based around people who are chronically online......everyone I know in RL is concerned about the way things are being mapped out, that includes members of the Gay and trans community who are fearing backlash because of outspoken fantasists who keep pushing their opinions as fact. The whole situation is ridiculous

Good point. I'm glad that more and more people IRL are concerned and hopefully they aren't afraid to speak out. Some speak out online as JKR has and does and get threats that she should be raped and killed for stating biological facts.

People are so busy trying not to offend that they sometimes say nothing and go along with the ideology but why not speak out.

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maddy68 · 22/02/2023 21:52

Because most of us realise that measures are in place (generally!) To ensure safety and most of us aren't transphobic and aim to en inclusive

PopGoesTheProsecco · 22/02/2023 21:52

I’m very concerned about it now. I have to admit that I used to be one of the ‘be kind’ crew. But it’s getting ridiculous, and the logical conclusion to TWAW (despite so few getting their tackle removed) seems to be putting female safe spaces, and females at risk.

The response to this incident, for example, was atrocious. This changing room didn’t say ‘woman’ it said ‘female’ (ie biology) yet still when a naked male was exposing his genitalia in this ‘safe’ female space the sports centre feared challenging the male who was exposing himself in a female communal changing room as it could be ‘discriminatory’. Apparently cubicles were provided in the female changing room but he chose the communal area to get naked.

www.edp24.co.uk/news/23309722.naked-man-reported-female-change-room-uea-sportspark/

WifeMotherWorker · 22/02/2023 21:51

@PutinSmellsPassItOn - you are absolutely right. The LGB community are distancing themselves from the TQ+ cult and want their identity and pride back. They are actively advocating for the LGB without the T, look up the LGB Alliance. Lesbians don’t want to be called bigots because they don’t want men who wear dresses and lipstick in their dating pool. Grown men referring to themselves as lesbians. I mean FFS!!! Normal people don’t want authors with baby and nappy sexual fetishes reading books to kids or flamboyant over sexualised drag queens doing story time. It’s predatory and hiding in plain sight.
This is the start of a huge backlash and revolt on this crazy movement.

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GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 21:50

@RosaBonheur yes it's nuts and more and more people are calling it out as nuts and saying NO. Facts are facts. I don't believe in the ideology that you can change sex.

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GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 21:49

saturdaymorningbored · 22/02/2023 21:46

If this is the first of this being an issue to you op please go over to the feminist gender topic. There's lots of very informative discussions there, women are truly worried about this and have been for a long time

I have visited the feminist sections many times and will continue to do so. There are some great and informative discussions but mainly women who are already aware and willing to realise that you cannot change your biological sex...whereas on the main boards little discussion and isn't it time in was more in mainstream discussions and not shoved to one side. It's too important for that.

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GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 21:47

WifeMotherWorker · 22/02/2023 21:41

Trans women are men. End of story. It simply does not matter how they identify, biological sex matters and women and girls are entitled to feel safe in changing rooms and toilets and complete fairly in sport.
In my mind there is just no justifiable argument for pandering to men, the feelings of a tiny minority of men do not outweigh women’s rights. Men cannot magically go from XY to XX, all the make up and HRT in the world will not change this fact! Men will always be men.

They are. As Professor Robert Winston said "you cannot change your biological sex". No matter what people say or believe - factually you cannot change your sex. As Prof Winston says:

This - 100%

You can live your life and identify your gender as a trans women but cannot change your sex.

The BBC and various other organisations don't help matters by pretending otherwise and skirting around the facts.

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saturdaymorningbored · 22/02/2023 21:46

If this is the first of this being an issue to you op please go over to the feminist gender topic. There's lots of very informative discussions there, women are truly worried about this and have been for a long time

RosaBonheur · 22/02/2023 21:45

WifeMotherWorker · 22/02/2023 21:41

Trans women are men. End of story. It simply does not matter how they identify, biological sex matters and women and girls are entitled to feel safe in changing rooms and toilets and complete fairly in sport.
In my mind there is just no justifiable argument for pandering to men, the feelings of a tiny minority of men do not outweigh women’s rights. Men cannot magically go from XY to XX, all the make up and HRT in the world will not change this fact! Men will always be men.

If you believe that the word "man" means "adult human male" then yes, they are men.

If you believe that the word "man" means "adult human of either sex who identifies as a man" and the word "woman" means "adult human of either sex who identifies as a woman" then they are women (but fuck knows what that actually means since the definition is entirely circular).

By claiming it's transphobic to say that trans women are men, they're saying it's transphobic not to believe, or at least pretend to believe. They're saying it's transphobic to use the word "man" to mean "adult human male" (as it has been used for over 1000 years) and not someone with a gender identity. They've commandeered some of the most basic words in the English language and redefined them in accordance with a belief system that most people don't share.

Saying a trans woman is a man is basically modern day heresy. It's completely nuts.

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GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 21:42

RosaBonheur · 22/02/2023 21:39

Given that the rate of trans murders in the UK is less than one per year and the rate of women murdered by men in the UK is 2-3 per week, that's not at all surprising, unless you failed maths GCSE.

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Wow, so he is showing concern for a murder rate of less than one per year and ignoring the murder rate of 2-3 women per week.

Why is the trend to push for trans women when clearly women are unsafe every day of the week and in huge numbers. Is it fashionable.

Whilst it is admirable to attempt to stop the murder of less that 1 trans woman per year surely is it important to look at why 2-3 women per week are murdered.

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WifeMotherWorker · 22/02/2023 21:41

Trans women are men. End of story. It simply does not matter how they identify, biological sex matters and women and girls are entitled to feel safe in changing rooms and toilets and complete fairly in sport.
In my mind there is just no justifiable argument for pandering to men, the feelings of a tiny minority of men do not outweigh women’s rights. Men cannot magically go from XY to XX, all the make up and HRT in the world will not change this fact! Men will always be men.

RosaBonheur · 22/02/2023 21:39

IneedanewTV · 22/02/2023 21:19

My local Green Party knocked on my door last week. I told them I couldn’t vote for a party that thought TWAW. He told me that the rate of trans murders was growing faster than the rate of murdered women. Rate being the important word. I chased him off my doorstep.

Given that the rate of trans murders in the UK is less than one per year and the rate of women murdered by men in the UK is 2-3 per week, that's not at all surprising, unless you failed maths GCSE.

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GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 21:39

monomatapea · 22/02/2023 21:11

What is a reduxx link?

reduxx.info/trans-artist-with-diaper-fetish-to-host-family-event-at-sheffield-central-library/

That's a trans woman who is an artist and is hosting a family event - fetish art. "Word of Labelle’s event has caused some concern from members of the public, who note that the Canadian artist has a disturbing history with utilizing children in fetish art.
In February of 2021, Labelle came under widespread scrutiny after it was discovered that he had quietly been producing and posting diaper fetish art on secret social media accounts, as well as furry fetish site “FurAffinity.”
WafflesArt, Labelle’s now-deleted alternate online persona, was an “adult baby/diaper lifestyle” and “diaper fur” aficionado account which published Labelle’s drawings of anthropomorphic baby animal characters modeling in diapers, onesies, and behaving like toddlers."

He/she is a trans woman that fetishes some behaviours and some of the online content is unusual to say the least.

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PutinSmellsPassItOn · 22/02/2023 21:37

You should never form your.opinion based around people who are chronically online......everyone I know in RL is concerned about the way things are being mapped out, that includes members of the Gay and trans community who are fearing backlash because of outspoken fantasists who keep pushing their opinions as fact. The whole situation is ridiculous

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GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 21:35

saturdaymorningbored · 22/02/2023 21:28

Because Patrick Harvey has Nicola Sturgeon in his pocket. She needs him more than he needs her.
Unfortunately it doesn't look like it will change with the new FM either.
This has been a huge topic in Scotland, highlighted even more with Isla Bryson, and Nicola Sturgeon being unable to clarify what a woman is. Absolute shit show up here just now

I will be honest I know very little of Scottish politics. I do feel that the whole gender reform has been badly handled and exposes the problems for women with allowing self id.

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GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 21:33

WifeMotherWorker · 22/02/2023 21:27

Also, I am a huge advocate for women and have been following this trans issue for years and I can confidently say that there is a huge shift in public opinion. Women are being silenced and erased which the media and social media are picking up on. More and more attention is being given to assaults on women by men in their own safe spaces! This ideology is starting to lose support and fail publicly. Look at Sturgeon!!

Thankfully and thanks to the women leading the way forward.

A long way to go yet though.

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Courtorder · 22/02/2023 21:32

GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 21:23

So how do you identify which is a genuine man who identifies as a trans woman and one that is just pretending to be a trans woman..... if the mantra is trans women are women and anyone who identifies as a trans woman must be treated as one? If a man self ID's as a woman and we are told to respect that gender chose then it is impossible to decide who is real and who is not - is that not so? Is there a magic sign that gives it away.

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And that’s the crux of the issue. You’ve struck the exact problem. Personally, I think it has to be determined on a circumstantial basis. Ultimately, it won’t always be possible to get right. It’s the same as being able to tell which men are becoming gynaecologists or midwives or primary school teachers to prey on women/children and which are genuinely doing what they want to do with kind and positive motivation. But the answer isn’t to tar all with the same brush and ban everyone from that. As situations develop, red flags will become clearer and it’ll be easier to manage. At the very least, in my opinion, I think criminals should be tried and housed in prison based on how they identified at the time of the crime rather than at the time of the trial.

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GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 21:28

NotMeekNotObedient · 22/02/2023 21:19

Wow that one about the Sheffield library 'artist' 😳.

I think we are starting to see a shift but only very slightly. We just have to keep shouting about this stuff.

I know - who actually thinks that is ok. What's next? If we tolerate this then our children will be next - going by the library artist. The one that was using a trans woman identity and took a child. Any pervert/rapist could easily use the trans women are woman and self identify to access safe spaces for women and children.

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saturdaymorningbored · 22/02/2023 21:28

Because Patrick Harvey has Nicola Sturgeon in his pocket. She needs him more than he needs her.
Unfortunately it doesn't look like it will change with the new FM either.
This has been a huge topic in Scotland, highlighted even more with Isla Bryson, and Nicola Sturgeon being unable to clarify what a woman is. Absolute shit show up here just now

WifeMotherWorker · 22/02/2023 21:27

Also, I am a huge advocate for women and have been following this trans issue for years and I can confidently say that there is a huge shift in public opinion. Women are being silenced and erased which the media and social media are picking up on. More and more attention is being given to assaults on women by men in their own safe spaces! This ideology is starting to lose support and fail publicly. Look at Sturgeon!!

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GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 21:25

WifeMotherWorker · 22/02/2023 21:22

Women are genuinely worried about this trend! The vast majority of normal people know that this ideology threatens the dignity and safety of women and girls.
I personally, don’t want to share ANY private spaces with a men nor do I want men taking valuable spaces from women in sports!
I stand with JK Rowling and Sharron Davies.

I agree now.

I also stand with them and I am spreading the word to my friends and colleagues and hope that in time we will be listened to. Currently the TRA have driven the way and taken from women. I believe that people are starting to see reality and will push back against this ideology.

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GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 21:23

Courtorder · 22/02/2023 21:19

The issue is that you’re asking the wrong question.

Why do women have to move over for men who identify as women? Why are women's concerns thrown to the side to ensure the concerns of men who identify as woman are concerned first?

They aren’t “men who identify as women”. They’re men who are pretending to identify as women in order to prey on women and children, to commit crimes, to access lighter sentencing and safer prisons. More often than not, they stop (pretending to) identifying as women when they’re released from prison.

You know which demographics are most hurt by this behaviour. Women and genuine trans people.

So how do you identify which is a genuine man who identifies as a trans woman and one that is just pretending to be a trans woman..... if the mantra is trans women are women and anyone who identifies as a trans woman must be treated as one? If a man self ID's as a woman and we are told to respect that gender chose then it is impossible to decide who is real and who is not - is that not so? Is there a magic sign that gives it away.

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