Why do women have to move over for men who identify as women? Why are women's concerns thrown to the side to ensure the concerns of men who identify as woman are concerned first?

Why aren't more women (and men) worried that woman are being told to step aside to consider men that want to be or identify as women as more important?

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PopGoesTheProsecco · 22/02/2023 22:24

But by moving it to the feminist board they are literally saying ‘this is a just an issue for feminists’ when it could be anyone’s daughter who is next exposed to a male’s penis in a supposedly female-only changing room. This isn’t a niche issue.

RoseslnTheHospital · 22/02/2023 22:19

To be fair to MN, at the time when the boards were split and this idea of silo-ing threads off to the designated topic in FWR was developed, they were under a lot of pressure to ban all talk on this topic altogether. I disagreed with the board split and the additional censoring rules and the insistence on moving threads. But, we can still discuss in one area at least rather than it all being banned. There were very few places on the Internet where you could.

PopGoesTheProsecco · 22/02/2023 22:18

Oh the thread appears to have been moved.

Maybe Mumsnet should change its name to PeopleWhoBirthNet.

Theseboobsweremadeforwalking · 22/02/2023 22:16

I'm guessing your questioning of why this has been allowed to happen is rhetorical, of course it's the patriarchal society we live in empowering men to do what the hell they want at the detriment of women.
The butcher case was a turning point for me, I can't unsee it now. I recently unsubscribed from an online magazine I'd been getting for years because they published a comic calling jk Rowling a transphobe. I told them this on a public instagram comment and got abuse about it. I had to Google everything she's said because I was thinking...I really don't think she is. Sure enough she's said very clearly she doesn't hate trans people but is concerned, quite rightly, about the safety of women. Comments were turned off sadly before I could reply with several direct quotes!

WifeMotherWorker · 22/02/2023 22:15

@GiveMeStrengthNow - great post, keep up the fight to protect women. Goodnight.

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GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 22:15

"RoseslnTheHospital · Today 22:07
There are some "monitors" who religiously report any threads on this topic and demand a move to FWR. For some reason, MNHQ acquiesce to these demands every time. Despite there being no list of banned topics for AIBU or Chat, and plenty of other threads that could go into other topics get posted there instead."

The thread 'monitors' - I wonder what they are so worried about? Why are they worried that women have concerns about trans women in women's safe spaces.

This is a growing concern thread monitors out there. Hopefully more and more will be popped into AIBU or chat since it affects lots of us.

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WifeMotherWorker · 22/02/2023 22:14

Even MumsNet is controlling the narrative and limiting free speech. This ideology poses a significant threat to women’s freedoms. I thought MumsNet, you know a site for women, would want to shine a light on this topic.

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GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 22:12

Boomboom22 · 22/02/2023 22:06

Op, if you posted on the popular aibu board it was very quickly moved to the safe space fir these chats. Apparently mn agree with the crazy posters above who don't want to hear about this issue.

That's sad.

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GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 22:11

ArabellaScott · 22/02/2023 22:08

Ah, your thread's been sent to the naughty corner, OP.

Oh dear, the handmaidens are at it again - sent us away to the special thread where we can talk to the converted and not attempt to explain why women need to be kept safe.

Sad that MN don't consider the safety of women important enough for AIBU.

Goodnight all and thanks to those that contributed. The thread was polite and questioning but hey ho not currently fashionable to question why woman's concerns don't matter.

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GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 22:09

The petition again for anyone that wants to sign it:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

Update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic “sex” is biological sex
The Government must exercise its power under s.23 of the Gender Recognition Act to modify the operation of the Equality Act 2010 by specifying the terms sex, male, female, man & woman, in the operation of that law, mean biological sex and not "sex as modified by a Gender Recognition Certificate"

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Boomboom22 · 22/02/2023 22:08

It must've been moved super fast as I read the first few comments only and it was already hidden away.

ArabellaScott · 22/02/2023 22:08

Ah, your thread's been sent to the naughty corner, OP.

WifeMotherWorker · 22/02/2023 22:07

GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 22:02

Can feminism not also be counted as AIBU or is AIBU only for some topics and not others. I'm sorry, I don't know the rules.

As this is MumsNet it wouldn’t be unreasonable to expect every member of this community to be a woman (as in a legitimate XX). As you say, 51% of the population is female so this topic is of major importance and should be discussed in the most high profile area to raise visibility, not hidden out of sight!

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GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 22:07

"Happylittlechicken · Today 21:58
But the answer isn’t to tar all with the same brush and ban everyone from that. As situations develop, red flags will become clearer and it’ll be easier to manage. At the very least, in my opinion, I think criminals should be tried and housed in prison based on how they identified at the time of the crime rather than at the time of the trial."

Ban from what? You mean women's safe spaces? Woman's sports? Woman's refuges and clinics? Women's prisons? What about considering women first for once?

Red flags? So using the Karen White case - pop the trans women in prison and when he rapes and attacks multiple women go 'oh dear we got it wrong move him/ out'. How many women victims are enough? What's the number worth the sacrifice?

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DeeCeeCherry · 22/02/2023 22:07

Because of White male privilege in a dress, of course. The elephant in the room that many are choosing not to see or discuss. Denial. In a patriarchal society getting around WMP is a minefield. As you see.

RoseslnTheHospital · 22/02/2023 22:07

There are some "monitors" who religiously report any threads on this topic and demand a move to FWR. For some reason, MNHQ acquiesce to these demands every time. Despite there being no list of banned topics for AIBU or Chat, and plenty of other threads that could go into other topics get posted there instead.

Americansmoothy · 22/02/2023 22:07

Boomboom22 · 22/02/2023 22:00

This post is in feminism wr not aibu?

I think it started out in AIBU and got moved.

Boomboom22 · 22/02/2023 22:06

Op, if you posted on the popular aibu board it was very quickly moved to the safe space fir these chats. Apparently mn agree with the crazy posters above who don't want to hear about this issue.

PopGoesTheProsecco · 22/02/2023 22:04

StarsSand · 22/02/2023 21:55

There is a specific board for these posts.

YABVU to post here.

I disagree. It’s not just a ‘feminist issue’ it affects all women who want to feel safe in female safe spaces and don’t want a random naked penis in their gym changing room because the penis owning trans-identified male is feeling like a woman.

saturdaymorningbored · 22/02/2023 22:04

maddy68 · 22/02/2023 21:52

Because most of us realise that measures are in place (generally!) To ensure safety and most of us aren't transphobic and aim to en inclusive

What is transphobic about not wanting a male rapist in a female prison?

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GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 22:02

Can feminism not also be counted as AIBU or is AIBU only for some topics and not others. I'm sorry, I don't know the rules.

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GiveMeStrengthNow · 22/02/2023 22:01

WifeMotherWorker · 22/02/2023 21:58

What a petty comment 🙄
This topic is hugely significant and important, as AIBU gets far more traffic than any other board so this is absolutely the right place for these posts!

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That is what I thought.

Should women know their place and when talking about women and safety should stick to the prescribed 'boards'. Surely this is really important and 51% of the country is female.

I realised that many don't care about this but didn't realise that they consider it insignificant and unimportant and it should be shoved quietly to one side - step aside again women - is that it?

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Boomboom22 · 22/02/2023 22:00

This post is in feminism wr not aibu?

WifeMotherWorker · 22/02/2023 21:58

StarsSand · 22/02/2023 21:55

There is a specific board for these posts.

YABVU to post here.

What a petty comment 🙄
This topic is hugely significant and important, as AIBU gets far more traffic than any other board so this is absolutely the right place for these posts!

Happylittlechicken · 22/02/2023 21:58

But the answer isn’t to tar all with the same brush and ban everyone from that. As situations develop, red flags will become clearer and it’ll be easier to manage. At the very least, in my opinion, I think criminals should be tried and housed in prison based on how they identified at the time of the crime rather than at the time of the trial.

So @Courtorder how many women and girls have to suffer first? Just an approximate number will do? Are you volunteering your female relatives to be Guinea pigs in your experiment? If not, why not?

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