Page 6 | I live in Rosie Duffields constituency. Just had local election door knock from labour party

BadgerWadger · 2023-02-22T16:08:44+00:00

He asked what my main concerns were. I said my main issue was that i stood with Rosie and felt that Labour, as a party, from the top down, did not offer her enough support. And my main concern was womens safe spaces. Man said, well, this is local elections and not about that, and that issue is more complicated than you think. What are your concerns, locally? I said the local council is involved in issues to do with womens safe spaces. Like the womens refuges, the womans changing room at the local pool, etc. All spaces where biological men should not have access and that womens safe spaces was my main concern. There followed a debate. And his stance is that its not that simple, i am being brainwashed by the right wing media, and that Rosie is in fact, (drumroll please...), mainly being supported by American right wing anti abortion groups. Arrrrrghhhhhh. So that is where my local labour door knockers are at. Saying Rosies main core of support is American right wing anti abortion groups and i am being fooled by them. Silly, foolish, female me.

ijclark · 23/02/2023 19:50

Kucinghitam · 23/02/2023 19:35

I just wanted to wholeheartedly thank ijclark for their sterling work on this thread 👏

It’s like eating a light snack when I’m bored. It’s good occasionally to indulge with intellectually lightweight starters before moving on elsewhere to the main course :)

SinnerBoy · 23/02/2023 19:49

ijclark · Today 19:46

I mean, that was exactly my point. Keep up! Maybe have a chat with your “cousin”.

What, by saying that she's backed by right wing groups, you meant that she's actually not backed by them? Who are you? Humpty Dumpty?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/02/2023 19:49

It's the exact same situation. TRAs are "supported" in their beliefs by fundamentalist Christians, for different reasons, that JK Rowling is a bad person.

ijclark · 23/02/2023 19:48

Sazzasez · 23/02/2023 19:46

She’s not only the first Labour candidate to take Canterbury in its entire history as a constituency, but she also is a very rare Labour MP who increased her vote in 2019 over 2017.

Apparently with our sealion’s votes both times, which must be very gratifying.

I left Canterbury in 2000: I’d have dreamed of being able to vote for her.

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Yes, and we know locally why her vote increased. It had very little to do with her.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/02/2023 19:48

Yes, really, yes.

ijclark · 23/02/2023 19:47

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/02/2023 19:42

FFS - the first two even agree on the specific author whose books should be burned and have acted on that impulse.

Indeed they do. We can say that TRAs and their allies like ijclark are "supported" by right wing Christian fundamentalists on that.

Not really, no.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/02/2023 19:47

Apparently with our sealion’s votes both times, which must be very gratifying.

Sadface for ijclark

Sazzasez · 23/02/2023 19:46

SinnerBoy · 23/02/2023 19:24

ijclark · Today 17:46

Bloody hell, it’s so rare she replies to emails. Probably handy for her to know what most of the constituency thinks of her, so I hope the candidate in question tells her to her face how unpopular she is.

I hope I can help you with some advice, about getting MPs to reply to your emails. The main point is that you stop writing them in Da-Glo Orange Giant Crayola.

She has a 1,836 vote majority, by the way. My cousin is a schoolteacher in her constituency and she likes her.

She’s not only the first Labour candidate to take Canterbury in its entire history as a constituency, but she also is a very rare Labour MP who increased her vote in 2019 over 2017.

Apparently with our sealion’s votes both times, which must be very gratifying.

I left Canterbury in 2000: I’d have dreamed of being able to vote for her.

ijclark · 23/02/2023 19:46

SinnerBoy · 23/02/2023 19:36

Saying she’s backed by right-wing groups is though.

She's not backed by them, though.

And my cousin's an actual human being, so no need for the quotation marks.

I mean, that was exactly my point. Keep up! Maybe have a chat with your “cousin”.

TheAdmiralAndFishermanFavorEntirelyDifferentPies · 23/02/2023 19:45

Did anyone else hear Wes Streeting on PM today talking about Labour and beliefs in ideologies? Religious ideology, in this case. I'm just surprised his head didn't explode with the cognitive dissonance.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/02/2023 19:42

FFS - the first two even agree on the specific author whose books should be burned and have acted on that impulse.

Indeed they do. We can say that TRAs and their allies like ijclark are "supported" by right wing Christian fundamentalists on that.

TheBiologyStupid · 23/02/2023 19:38

ijclark · 23/02/2023 18:56

Can you clarify…do you think right-wing groups don’t agree with her on trans rights?

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Can I just clarity? Don't TRAs, Christian fundamentalists, and Nazis agree on book burning? FFS - the first two even agree on the specific author whose books should be burned and have acted on that impulse.

SinnerBoy · 23/02/2023 19:36

Saying she’s backed by right-wing groups is though.

She's not backed by them, though.

And my cousin's an actual human being, so no need for the quotation marks.

Grammarnut · 23/02/2023 19:35

ijclark · 23/02/2023 19:07

“I do think right-wing groups, and various religious groups (Christian, Muslim etc) agree with Rosie Duffield about transwomen being men, and probably that women should have sex-segregated spaces (in the case of Muslims, they definitely believe that).”

in which case, it’s not a smear then.

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Somewhat selective quote. Rosie Duffield supports women's sex based rights, which not many right wing organisations do, but they are of the oppionion (correct) that one cannot change sex. Linking Duffield to right-wing organisations is meant as a smear and it is a smear. It suggests that Rosie Duffield - a Labour politician - consorts with right-wing political organisations which have agendas inimical to Labour's agenda and beliefs. It's suggesting her ideas chime with organisations like the National Front or the English Defence League etc. It is meant to do her harm - and it is not true, she is not in contact with them or anything like it. Gender critical beliefs (you know, biological reality) are neither right-wing nor left-wing and they are what ordinary people know is true. Saying she's supported by right-wing organisations is a slur on a left-wing politician - one that can stick and cause her a lot of problems. As I said, Duffield supports women, and women's sex based rights. She does not think trans rights trump anyone else's rights. I think she is correct in that stance; that stance is not axiomatically right-wing - it is feminist.

Kucinghitam · 23/02/2023 19:35

I just wanted to wholeheartedly thank ijclark for their sterling work on this thread 👏

ijclark · 23/02/2023 19:33

SinnerBoy · 23/02/2023 19:24

ijclark · Today 17:46

Bloody hell, it’s so rare she replies to emails. Probably handy for her to know what most of the constituency thinks of her, so I hope the candidate in question tells her to her face how unpopular she is.

I hope I can help you with some advice, about getting MPs to reply to your emails. The main point is that you stop writing them in Da-Glo Orange Giant Crayola.

She has a 1,836 vote majority, by the way. My cousin is a schoolteacher in her constituency and she likes her.

That’s nice. I know a lot of people in the constituency, from soft left to hard left, who don’t and won’t vote for her again. So I think that trumps your “cousin”.

ijclark · 23/02/2023 19:31

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/02/2023 19:08

do you think right-wing groups don’t agree with her on trans rights?

You do understand that them agreeing with her isn't her being "supported" by them (shorthand for financed), and some right wing groups doubtless agree with some of your opinions about the colour of the sky and the country Paris is in. Rosie Duffield recognises the scientific existence of biological sex as the basis of women's specific needs and rights, while anti abortionists are religious traditionalists who believe god created women to have children. But good of you to demonstrate that you are aware any claims of her being personally bankrolled by anti abortion groups are in fact, groundless smears.

I think you’ve made a massive leap there. No-one has suggested she’s financed. “Supported” isn’t shorthand for financial support. Saying she’s backed by right-wing groups is though. But as I recall, the OP didn’t claim that was what was said.

DdraigGoch · 23/02/2023 19:29

ijclark · 22/02/2023 23:24

People should not be required to show their genitalia before they enter a space. That’s completely inappropriate.

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So why the man at UEA, not to mention Lia Thomas feel that they need to flaunt their meat & two veg around changing rooms is a complete mystery.

SinnerBoy · 23/02/2023 19:26

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 19:08

You do understand that them agreeing with her isn't her being "supported" by them (shorthand for financed), and some right wing groups doubtless agree with some of your opinions about the colour of the sky and the country Paris is in.

It's all his lot have got, non sequiturs, strawmen, guilt by association and bare faced lies.

SinnerBoy · 23/02/2023 19:24

ijclark · Today 17:46

Bloody hell, it’s so rare she replies to emails. Probably handy for her to know what most of the constituency thinks of her, so I hope the candidate in question tells her to her face how unpopular she is.

I hope I can help you with some advice, about getting MPs to reply to your emails. The main point is that you stop writing them in Da-Glo Orange Giant Crayola.

She has a 1,836 vote majority, by the way. My cousin is a schoolteacher in her constituency and she likes her.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/02/2023 19:08

do you think right-wing groups don’t agree with her on trans rights?

You do understand that them agreeing with her isn't her being "supported" by them (shorthand for financed), and some right wing groups doubtless agree with some of your opinions about the colour of the sky and the country Paris is in. Rosie Duffield recognises the scientific existence of biological sex as the basis of women's specific needs and rights, while anti abortionists are religious traditionalists who believe god created women to have children. But good of you to demonstrate that you are aware any claims of her being personally bankrolled by anti abortion groups are in fact, groundless smears.

ijclark · 23/02/2023 19:07

Grammarnut · 23/02/2023 19:03

I do think right-wing groups, and various religious groups (Christian, Muslim etc) agree with Rosie Duffield about transwomen being men, and probably that women should have sex-segregated spaces (in the case of Muslims, they definitely believe that). Rosie Duffield has not said that transpeople aren't entitled to be protected (gender reassignment is a PC under the EA2010, as are sex, religion or belief, sexual orientation, marriage/civil partnership, pregnancy, age and disability) from discrimination. She seems to believe that trans rights should not trump women's sex based rights, and I am very sure she is correct.

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“I do think right-wing groups, and various religious groups (Christian, Muslim etc) agree with Rosie Duffield about transwomen being men, and probably that women should have sex-segregated spaces (in the case of Muslims, they definitely believe that).”

in which case, it’s not a smear then.

ijclark · 23/02/2023 19:06

I hope they knock at mine, I’ll be outlining to them that I won’t vote for an MP who breaches the data protection rights of her constituents, who appears on news channels that spout antisemitism and blocks women in the constituency who dare to have a different opinion to her.

Grammarnut · 23/02/2023 19:05

IwantToRetire · 23/02/2023 18:18

I didn't say mandate, but by its wording it has. And as we know the law in practice looks at how it is written.

And if there wasn't a hierarchy in practice, single sex exemptions would have had to be written. They were written because trans protection was put first.

The Act lists PCs in alphabetical order. Even a lawyer can see that, surely? No priority is suggested.

ThreeCurleyChips · 23/02/2023 19:04

GCMM · 22/02/2023 16:24

I live in the constituency too. I'm hoping to get a knock on the door by canvassers, so I can say the same! If he actually said that Rosie is mainly being supported by American right wing anti abortion groups, I think you should report that to her office asap.

I agree, report him