Page 11 | I live in Rosie Duffields constituency. Just had local election door knock from labour party

BadgerWadger · 2023-02-22T16:08:44+00:00

He asked what my main concerns were. I said my main issue was that i stood with Rosie and felt that Labour, as a party, from the top down, did not offer her enough support. And my main concern was womens safe spaces. Man said, well, this is local elections and not about that, and that issue is more complicated than you think. What are your concerns, locally? I said the local council is involved in issues to do with womens safe spaces. Like the womens refuges, the womans changing room at the local pool, etc. All spaces where biological men should not have access and that womens safe spaces was my main concern. There followed a debate. And his stance is that its not that simple, i am being brainwashed by the right wing media, and that Rosie is in fact, (drumroll please...), mainly being supported by American right wing anti abortion groups. Arrrrrghhhhhh. So that is where my local labour door knockers are at. Saying Rosies main core of support is American right wing anti abortion groups and i am being fooled by them. Silly, foolish, female me.

VictorStrand · 22/02/2023 23:05

Well, yy, it's easy for the Tories to pretend to be sensible now when they were the ones who started all this bullshit.

ijclark · 22/02/2023 23:05

YankeeDad · 22/02/2023 23:03

I had a similar conversation locally with a door knocker from Lib Dems, although I was not quite as on point as the OP.

Me: “Can I ask one question about the Lib Dem position?”
Him: “Sure”
Me: “What is a woman?”
Him: “I’m not here to talk about trans issues, but gathering feedback about local issues.”
Me: “This is a women’s issue, not a trans issue.”
Him: “Well, here is a survey in case you want to give feedback on local issues”
Me: “I have a wife and daughter, and that makes this a local issue. Until more than one party knows what a woman is, I’m stuck with the Tories, which is deeply unfortunate because keeping them in power is the last thing this country needs”

He then politely said goodbye and went on his way.

Am now wondering what to do next. I don’t actually think the Lib Dems are likely to become relevant again any time soon, either in this local area or nationally, so filling out their survey would feel like a bit of a pointless exercise.

Genuine question…do you think only white women need “saving”?

CampervanKween · 22/02/2023 23:04

We had a Tory round, we had a lovely chat about how ridiculous the whole situation was. How Nicola Sturgeon had been essentially brought down by her inflexible rejection of women's rights. How crazy it was that they were putting men in women's prisons. I said it was nice to see that someone was on the side of sanity and reality, and that it was a very common sense side to be on.

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YankeeDad · 22/02/2023 23:03

I had a similar conversation locally with a door knocker from Lib Dems, although I was not quite as on point as the OP.

Me: “Can I ask one question about the Lib Dem position?”
Him: “Sure”
Me: “What is a woman?”
Him: “I’m not here to talk about trans issues, but gathering feedback about local issues.”
Me: “This is a women’s issue, not a trans issue.”
Him: “Well, here is a survey in case you want to give feedback on local issues”
Me: “I have a wife and daughter, and that makes this a local issue. Until more than one party knows what a woman is, I’m stuck with the Tories, which is deeply unfortunate because keeping them in power is the last thing this country needs”

He then politely said goodbye and went on his way.

Am now wondering what to do next. I don’t actually think the Lib Dems are likely to become relevant again any time soon, either in this local area or nationally, so filling out their survey would feel like a bit of a pointless exercise.

ijclark · 22/02/2023 23:03

Ofcourseshecan · 22/02/2023 23:02

Ooops, you gave yourself away there, ijclark. Defending women’s right to dingle-sex spaces is a rejection of feminism is it? Only if you think feminists believe women should obey men and give way to men. Which only makes sense to transactivists and related misogynists.

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Hey, if you believe women should have Dingle spaces, that’s up to you. They can Dingle as much as they like imho.

Ofcourseshecan · 22/02/2023 23:02

Single-sex spaces!

Ofcourseshecan · 22/02/2023 23:02

ijclark · 22/02/2023 22:06

Oh of course. I think her rejection of feminism is a problem too. Also a bit weird that I sent her evidence of targeted harassment of a female colleague a couple of years back and she didn’t even reply (her colleague’s office did to thank me for raising it though).

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Ooops, you gave yourself away there, ijclark. Defending women’s right to dingle-sex spaces is a rejection of feminism is it? Only if you think feminists believe women should obey men and give way to men. Which only makes sense to transactivists and related misogynists.

ijclark · 22/02/2023 23:02

Artisticpaint · 22/02/2023 22:59

ijclark -“Oh look a squirrel”

after reading this thread I’ll definitely be voting Tory until the left have started to respect and listen to women

True feminism is…throwing women of colour under the bus to preserve a narrow idea of feminism. [slow hand clap].

ijclark · 22/02/2023 23:00

Artisticpaint · 22/02/2023 22:59

ijclark -“Oh look a squirrel”

after reading this thread I’ll definitely be voting Tory until the left have started to respect and listen to women

Hey, if you want to vote for racists, that’s entirely up to you of course :)

Artisticpaint · 22/02/2023 22:59

ijclark -“Oh look a squirrel”

after reading this thread I’ll definitely be voting Tory until the left have started to respect and listen to women

ijclark · 22/02/2023 22:54

PopGoesTheProsecco · 22/02/2023 22:52

As you and I both know (as you also regularly post on the CRG) the CRG is a cesspit where people could literally have an argument about whether grass is usually green (if well hydrated).

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Certainly used to be bad, but it’s got a lot better now all the bigots know they can’t post without being held to account. It’s actually become quite run off the mill now, which is nice :)

PopGoesTheProsecco · 22/02/2023 22:52

ijclark · 22/02/2023 22:11

That’s funny. CRG often gets complaints that people aren’t allowed to be racist on there. I do hope that fact isn’t why you think it’s a cesspit?

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As you and I both know (as you also regularly post on the CRG) the CRG is a cesspit where people could literally have an argument about whether grass is usually green (if well hydrated).

ijclark · 22/02/2023 22:47

ArghRainAgain · 22/02/2023 22:41

Of course it isn't - there are chromosomes, reproductive organs, hormones etc.

My point was it is simple to determine and NOTHING to do with gender ideology. But then I think you already knew that.

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Hmm. It’s not actually simple to determine as it happens. If only it were!

ijclark · 22/02/2023 22:43

mirax · 22/02/2023 22:34

You seem to have difficulty with thinking IJClark.

Your number one problem is the supposed neo-Nazis who turn up to threaten 'women and children' inside a library. As staff at the library, you would have a protocol to keep users safe and immediately call the police I presume?
Your second problem is the police IF they fail to solve this alleged neo- Nazi infestation.
Of course you follow up with your MP and other sources eg the media if the police is completely inept. Neo-Nazis are threatening library users is pretty serious. A series of letters to the MP sounds pretty effete as a response
I have tremendous difficulty believing 1 and 2 occurred without evidence.

“the supposed neo-Nazis”? Neo-Nazis aren’t really neo-Nazis is quite the argument. You are opposed to Neo-Nazis, right?

ArghRainAgain · 22/02/2023 22:41

ijclark · 22/02/2023 22:35

Sex isn’t defined just by genitalia, I’m afraid.

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Of course it isn't - there are chromosomes, reproductive organs, hormones etc.

My point was it is simple to determine and NOTHING to do with gender ideology. But then I think you already knew that.

Sazzasez · 22/02/2023 22:41

mirax · 22/02/2023 22:37

Reject feminism? Is that you Russell-Moyle?

The claim that Rosie Duffield “rejects feminism” is pretty odd, too.

I chatted to her when we were both on our way to the biggest women’s rights conference in Europe last year.

I’m surprised she didn’t mention it.

ijclark · 22/02/2023 22:40

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mirax · 22/02/2023 22:37

Reject feminism? Is that you Russell-Moyle?

ijclark · 22/02/2023 22:35

ArghRainAgain · 22/02/2023 22:31

I have to laugh at the, "It's complicated" argument.

Where you born with a penis? Yes = man. No = woman.

Is really not difficult at all - hence the reason toddlers understand the concept!

Sex isn’t defined just by genitalia, I’m afraid.

mirax · 22/02/2023 22:34

You seem to have difficulty with thinking IJClark.

Your number one problem is the supposed neo-Nazis who turn up to threaten 'women and children' inside a library. As staff at the library, you would have a protocol to keep users safe and immediately call the police I presume?
Your second problem is the police IF they fail to solve this alleged neo- Nazi infestation.
Of course you follow up with your MP and other sources eg the media if the police is completely inept. Neo-Nazis are threatening library users is pretty serious. A series of letters to the MP sounds pretty effete as a response
I have tremendous difficulty believing 1 and 2 occurred without evidence.

ArghRainAgain · 22/02/2023 22:31

I have to laugh at the, "It's complicated" argument.

Where you born with a penis? Yes = man. No = woman.

Is really not difficult at all - hence the reason toddlers understand the concept!

ijclark · 22/02/2023 22:29

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 22/02/2023 22:26

I had a lib dem man who was excited when I said he could have my vote if he could answer one question.

His excitement didn't last.

He did the same as PP - "that's a national issue"

"no it's not...bus stops and time tables/changing rooms/access to health services/refuges/police/breakfast clubs/playparks etc etc etc etc

He ran away. A grown ass man actually ran away. Without my vote.

Fucking hilarious.

Did he run away though? Or did he just think “oh god, another one of those types that rejects feminism” and walk off rolling his eyes?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 22/02/2023 22:26

I had a lib dem man who was excited when I said he could have my vote if he could answer one question.

His excitement didn't last.

He did the same as PP - "that's a national issue"

"no it's not...bus stops and time tables/changing rooms/access to health services/refuges/police/breakfast clubs/playparks etc etc etc etc

He ran away. A grown ass man actually ran away. Without my vote.

Fucking hilarious.

ijclark · 22/02/2023 22:25

ijclark · 22/02/2023 22:22

Oh dear. Asking your representative to raise concerns with government about the safety of the public is “harassment” now? Are you jot that fussed about women and children being intimidated by neo-Nazis? Bit weird on Mumsnet to come across that kind of argument. Surely you should be arguing that government should ensure they are better protracted? I don’t really understand your argument here.

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Oh my word, the typos there. My apologies @mirax, sure you see what I mean though! :)