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KJK opposing fertility treatment for gay couples

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SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 14:10

KJK seems to have an ongoing beef with same sex couples having fertility treatment. Why? How is this benefiting women's rights?

Is is definitely not benefiting lesbian rights.

It also appears to be attracting all the homophobes on Twitter.

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RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 22/02/2023 22:42

SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 22:29

No they are a couple with fertility issues due to lack of sperm. A lesbian couple also has fertility issues due to lack of sperm.

According to KJK only the straight couple's fertility issues are valid.

According to this board the lesbian couple just need to find a man to have sex with and lie back and think of England.

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You said the board…chum

you did not say one poster

you said the board…fucking own it

TinselAngel · 22/02/2023 22:41

One post is not representative of the whole board Hmm

EndlessTea · 22/02/2023 22:41

Indeed Tinsel

TinselAngel · 22/02/2023 22:40

The timing of this thread is very interesting given KJK is being interviewed by the Police this week for (IIRC) spurious allegations of saying something homophobic, in Brighton.

You have to wonder who reported her.

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SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 22:40

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 22/02/2023 22:31

According to this board the lesbian couple just need to find a man to have sex with and lie back and think of England.

rubbish

thats an outright lie

This post.

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Eyerollcentral · 22/02/2023 22:37

FOJN · 22/02/2023 22:35

Thinking on about this, what happens when two fertile heterosexuals wish to reproduce but the father's sperm must be surgically collected as he has paraplegia? That is an issue of reproductive mechanics and not infertility, Does the NHS assist in those cases?

I've only seen this happen once. It's not a surgical procedure. The collection is usually done quite soon, within a few months, after spinal injury because the sperm count tends to drop to infertility levels beyond that time frame. The NHS did provide the sperm collection treatment but I'm not sure what happened to the sample after that. It's not an option many people consider when they are still trying to come to terms with the ramifications of a life changing injury.

Yes and imagine trying to use the example of a catastrophically injured man to say well lesbians have a problem with sperm mechanics. Good god.

XanaduKira · 22/02/2023 22:36

PaterPower · 22/02/2023 14:21

Two women wouldn’t have to use a surrogate, unless both women had fertility issues which eg prevented them from ovulating or subsequently gestating a baby.

On the face of it, her statement is entirely factual. Same sex couples can’t conceive unless a third party is involved somewhere in the process. Either via sperm donation or egg donation and surrogacy.

This! Statement of fact.

FOJN · 22/02/2023 22:35

Thinking on about this, what happens when two fertile heterosexuals wish to reproduce but the father's sperm must be surgically collected as he has paraplegia? That is an issue of reproductive mechanics and not infertility, Does the NHS assist in those cases?

I've only seen this happen once. It's not a surgical procedure. The collection is usually done quite soon, within a few months, after spinal injury because the sperm count tends to drop to infertility levels beyond that time frame. The NHS did provide the sperm collection treatment but I'm not sure what happened to the sample after that. It's not an option many people consider when they are still trying to come to terms with the ramifications of a life changing injury.

Eyerollcentral · 22/02/2023 22:35

SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 22:29

No they are a couple with fertility issues due to lack of sperm. A lesbian couple also has fertility issues due to lack of sperm.

According to KJK only the straight couple's fertility issues are valid.

According to this board the lesbian couple just need to find a man to have sex with and lie back and think of England.

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No, it is an infertile man. Both partners in a couple may have issues with their fertility but barring that if only one of them has a medical problem with fertility that does not magically mean the other has a fertility problem.
Again, no, lesbian couples are free to pursue insemination by whatever means they like, but as it’s not a health issue the NHS won’t be paying for it. It’s quite simple when you don’t contort yourself to paint nature as a homophobe.

TinselAngel · 22/02/2023 22:35

According to this board the lesbian couple just need to find a man to have sex with and lie back and think of England.
The extent to which you are prepared to defame other women, in order to further your own interests will never cease to amaze me, Sappho.

Happylittlechicken · 22/02/2023 22:34

SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 22:21

You don't need a clinic or medical intervention to get sperm, just a man willing to give you his sperm.

Here we go again. Lesbians 'just' need a man willing to give us his sperm.

Why do straight women with an infertile male partner never get told to just find another man and use his sperm?

Err…. They do?

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 22/02/2023 22:34

So gay men have fertility issues due to a lack of eggs?

i mean thats the same sort of logic

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 22/02/2023 22:31

According to this board the lesbian couple just need to find a man to have sex with and lie back and think of England.

rubbish

thats an outright lie

BreadInCaptivity · 22/02/2023 22:31

According to this board the lesbian couple just need to find a man to have sex with and lie back and think of England.

Absolutely no poster on this thread has made any such suggestion.

You are being utterly disingenuous.

AlisonDonut · 22/02/2023 22:31

SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 22:21

You don't need a clinic or medical intervention to get sperm, just a man willing to give you his sperm.

Here we go again. Lesbians 'just' need a man willing to give us his sperm.

Why do straight women with an infertile male partner never get told to just find another man and use his sperm?

Erm...what else are they going to use if not another man's sperm?

Genuinely wondering what point you think you are trying to make here.

SoonBeTeaTime · 22/02/2023 22:30

SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 22:21

You don't need a clinic or medical intervention to get sperm, just a man willing to give you his sperm.

Here we go again. Lesbians 'just' need a man willing to give us his sperm.

Why do straight women with an infertile male partner never get told to just find another man and use his sperm?

They do.... I know someone who is a donor baby, he's 30 now, his (straight) married parents couldn't have a child due to his dad's issue so they used donor sperm. This was over 30 years ago, not a new thing. He's very open about it, it's no secret.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 22/02/2023 22:30

You cant just rock up and steal someones sperm

it has to be given

there’s loads of stuff online about men ‘donating’ sperm

but personally i think if its going to be done it has to be through safe means so clinics and medical facilities, not some random online

but the point is women are absolutely getting sperm from randoms online, and some of these men insist on having sex, thats how desperate some of these women are

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SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 22:29

beastlyslumber · 22/02/2023 22:23

Of course, by your logic, a straight woman with an infertile male partner is an infertile woman...

No they are a couple with fertility issues due to lack of sperm. A lesbian couple also has fertility issues due to lack of sperm.

According to KJK only the straight couple's fertility issues are valid.

According to this board the lesbian couple just need to find a man to have sex with and lie back and think of England.

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Boiledbeetle · 22/02/2023 22:28

SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 22:21

You don't need a clinic or medical intervention to get sperm, just a man willing to give you his sperm.

Here we go again. Lesbians 'just' need a man willing to give us his sperm.

Why do straight women with an infertile male partner never get told to just find another man and use his sperm?

They do.frequently!

ThrowawayBerna · 22/02/2023 22:28

Would it be more accurate to say that for lesbian couples this an 'issue of reproductive mechanics' or WTHE? because its not 'infertility' out the gate at all. Factual medical terminology matters.

I don't have a problem with steps to overcome an issue of reproductive mechanics, as long as the criteria is the same as for infertility* in heterosexual couples. For lesbian couples, 2/3 of the required solution lies within their personal control (mother and egg). For gay men, only 1/3, (father) so all is not equal nor could it be.

*Thinking on about this, what happens when two fertile heterosexuals wish to reproduce but the father's sperm must be surgically collected as he has paraplegia? That is an issue of reproductive mechanics and not infertility, Does the NHS assist in those cases?

Eyerollcentral · 22/02/2023 22:27

Eyerollcentral · 22/02/2023 22:25

Do you ever think of starting a joke book? Women with infertile male partners where attempts at insemination by artificial means DO have to get another male involved I.e. a sperm donor. And yes history and the present day are littered with examples of women who have done just that, isn’t there a statistic that something like 10% of men are raising children they believe are their’s biologically but are not. Lay off the kool aid, if you are for real.

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Sorry ‘have failed’ after ‘means’ was distracted by the lunacy of the OP’s post

BreadInCaptivity · 22/02/2023 22:27

SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 22:21

You don't need a clinic or medical intervention to get sperm, just a man willing to give you his sperm.

Here we go again. Lesbians 'just' need a man willing to give us his sperm.

Why do straight women with an infertile male partner never get told to just find another man and use his sperm?

A fertile straight woman partnered with a man who does not produce sperm (or viable sperm) is told exactly that.

The only way for her to get pregnant is using donor sperm.

Eyerollcentral · 22/02/2023 22:25

SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 22:21

You don't need a clinic or medical intervention to get sperm, just a man willing to give you his sperm.

Here we go again. Lesbians 'just' need a man willing to give us his sperm.

Why do straight women with an infertile male partner never get told to just find another man and use his sperm?

Do you ever think of starting a joke book? Women with infertile male partners where attempts at insemination by artificial means DO have to get another male involved I.e. a sperm donor. And yes history and the present day are littered with examples of women who have done just that, isn’t there a statistic that something like 10% of men are raising children they believe are their’s biologically but are not. Lay off the kool aid, if you are for real.

Boiledbeetle · 22/02/2023 22:25

SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 21:50

they just need the sperm, not the male

Yes they do. Which makes it a fertility issue!!!

No matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it true.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 22/02/2023 22:25

SapphosRock · 22/02/2023 22:17

The OP states that KJK's Tweet is attracting the homophobes on Twitter. I shared an example of the homophobia.

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Posts by gay people unfortunately attract quote tweets from homophobes. It's not their fault, it's not Posie Parker's fault either. What's your point?