KJK opposing fertility treatment for gay couples

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Yep. I welcomed that change in the law.

Still, there is a whole childhood & adolescence to get through before that info can be accessed.

If a child has grown up experiencing genealogical bewilderment I don’t think a name on a paper at the age of 18 will undo it?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_bewilderment

lesbian couples getting IVF or IUI with donated sperm is totally ok.

gay men being able to enter into entirely voluntary arrangements with women who just want to be a surrogate as a charitable act is also ok.

offensive, wrong and rightly illegal in the uk is the commodification of women's bodies into a paid enslavement arrangement. any payment is unacceptable coercion. it is akin to rape and no kind of bought-consent can be freely made and therefore valid.

Lesbians can also have fertility issues. Please see my five miscarriages.

Through a clinic, before anybody jumps on me to point out private deals can obviously break the rules.

Good job the NHS doesn’t then, isn’t it! The law dictates that any donor child in the UK (NHS or private) can access details of their donor when they turn 18.

By ''fertility treatment'' do you actually mean surrogacy?

Because Sapphos is one of the real feminists™ who keep a list of all of KJK's crimes. She contributes her distain for KJK on every thread where the woman is mentioned but today she appears to have had time to trawl social media for "evidence" of further crimes.

In short this is yet another, very boring, KJK hate thread. I swear her haters spend far more time thinking about her than I do and I'm full of admiration for her.

Isn’t Posie Parker just being factual here? Two men or two women TTC may individually or both have fertility issues (just like anyone else may have fertility issues)- but the same-sex couple TTC permanent lack of ability to conceive is more of a social or situational form of infertility. It is not automatically a medical form of infertility. Though a same-sex couple may of course have that challenge too.

I don't know the context of what she was saying, but she says nothing about opposing fertility treatment for gay couples in this tweet. She just says that it isn't an issue with fertility that gay couples don't naturally conceive children.

She's probably referencing gay men using surrogacy labeled as a 'fertility treatment' when in fact it's nothing to do with their fertility and everything to do with commodifying women's bodies.

Yep.

And this is the issue, if men can reframe their lack of uterus and eggs as ‘infertility’ and demand that their ‘infertility’ should be ‘treated on the NHS’ it’s women who will suffer, as surrogates and as egg donors (some of whom will have agreed to ‘donate’ eggs under the coercive pressure of funding/accessing her own infertility treatment).

KJK is absolutely correct and simply making a statement of fact. Of course two people of the same sex won’t be able to procreate together. What they are experiencing isn’t infertility or any kind of medical disorder with their reproductive systems.

Who, if anyone, should be able to have infertility treatment or what kind it should be is another debate altogether.

Sapphos what you are saying is really offensive to women with medical fertility problems.
I'm very sorry to hear about your problems dimorphism

The very kindest thing I can say about your op, Sapphos is that it's thoughtless and utterly tone deaf. Please think about it.

Posie’s tweet is a stand alone tweet.

The one Sappho posted isn’t even a reply, it’s a quote tweet.

It's not an infertility issue. A lesbian can get pregnant if she chooses. Nothing too technical.

Bit different from gay men buying babies from their mothers.

As someone who has been through fertility issues and treatments I find it almost offensive to call it infertility. It's not it's just a basic fact of life. But I do see an awful lot of male couples in particular bleating on about their infertility. They will never have to go through a HSG, a miscarriage, injecting themselves with steroids. They have no clue.

I think it's debatable how much the NHS should help anyone with infertility.
But if a man can't get his female partner pregnant he is clearly infertile.
If a woman can't get her female partner pregnant, she's a lesbian - she's not infertile.
Not everything that some women would like to happen is a women's rights issue.

Do you think by posting other tweet about same-sex couples that people will think Posey is responding to that?

i'm not on Twitter, but I don't think she is? Is she?

I’m anti the use of anonymous donor gametes for all couples and singles of any sexuality.

I don’t think the NHS should create babies who don’t know who their biological parents are.

Sorry, just to clarify, when I say the tweet in the OP isn't wrong, I mean the original tweet. Not the response. Which I disagree with

There is a discussion to be had about fertility treatment in general, how this fits into the NHS and who should be eligible for treatment.

The Venus Rising podcast has a lot of really interesting episodes about big fertility, ethics and impact etc.

Why have you posted a screenshot of someone else's tweet that is homophobic, rather than just posting the original KJK tweet which is factual and not homophobic?