KJK opposing fertility treatment for gay couples

Look, I agree with KJK’s take on many things. But this tweet has brought out all the homophobes and I do not believe for one second that KJK wouldn’t have known that would happen. She knows what crowd tweets like this are playing to. As I said, criticise surrogacy, criticise the use of donor gametes, critique the idea of ‘fertility equality’ but be specific on the issues.

What focus on gay and lesbian people. She said she’s against all donor conception and IVF. No mention of gay and lesbian people.

Sapphos are you really so determined to smear KJK that you continue to make such a fool of yourself over something a primary school child understands?

You are really looking silly and desperate now TBH.

It’s just more of the same old IDPOL nonsense that pretends men can be women.

“We are not the same. Lesbians having children is not the same as men using surrogates”

^I do agree that donor conception and use of a surrogate are very different to each other. However asserting the people have a right to be supported to have children even though they don’t have the biological means between them necessitates use of someone else’s body and/or body parts. That part makes me feel uneasy. That of course can apply to people regardless of their sexuality but will always apply to couples of the same sex.

No, the LGBT isn’t all one thing - you don’t need to tell US that.

However a straight woman can be sex repulsed or romantically disinterested in men too, and her options for getting pregnant are the same as lesbian women, and for bisexual women without male partners.

Known donor, anon donor, platonic male coparent or childfree.

KJK is only being homophobic if she has applies different standards to the straight single woman than to the lesbian or bisexual woman, she she doesn’t, none of us do.

Not having an opposite sex partner to make babies the standard evolutionary way with is not infertility - it is bloody inconvenient, but it is not infertility.

If this is truly a ‘gay rights’ issue in your mind please, do tell us your ideas for solving ‘social infertility’ for male homosexual couples that is equal to those you propose for female homosexual couples? If you don’t care about male homosexuals having equal opportunities to become parents then it’s not really a gay rights issue at all, is it?

How do we put this.

To make a baby, you need a man and a woman.

Sometimes there are problems and they need ‘fertility treatment’.

Sometimes there are problems and they choose abortion, euphemistically referred to as ‘reproductive rights’.

For people who are not infertile, or not having heterosexual sex, then ‘fertility treatments’ and ‘reproductive rights’ are not relevant to them.

However, these terms have been appropriated to suggest that the NHS should make expensive services available, when they are not needed, or to frame the buying and selling of babies and the exploitation of women as ‘reproductive rights’ and ‘fertility treatment’.

The tweet isn't anti lesbian, it is stating a fact.

The only one comparing the tweet to the things you list is you.

Can't believe that there is a poster insinuating that infertility is the reason two people of the same sex can't conceive with each other. And, indeed it is homophobic to not agree. That cannot be earnest.

That tweet isn't either homophobic or anti-lesbian. She's just stating the obvious fact that two people of the same sex can't get either pregnant.

Do you really consider that homophobic?

I don’t know why she has chosen to tweet this now but I have noted myself an increase in activists referring to infertility problems for same sex couples and inequality alleged along the lines of the arguments the OP has attempted to make. There was even a CAR CRASH article in the guardian a few months ago which was the most entitled load of twaddle from gay men I have ever heard in my life. It’s important to be precise with language. Same sex couples failing to conceive is not a fertility problem, it’s a basic human biology problem.

I do wonder why KJK felt the need to tweet this.
ASK HER!

Stating a fact isn’t anti lesbian. I can take or leave KJK. I don’t tend to set up idols. I realise that people can agree with me on some things and disagree with me on others. The fact will always remain that same sex couples cannot procreate and no one has a right to have a child.

Can you explain why it's homophobic, Sappho? Because I'm not getting it.

Is it something like indirect discrimination, where a policy impacts some people more than others?

Well you still haven’t managed to demonstrate how the tweet, which is a simple statement of fact, is homophobic.

I do wonder why KJK felt the need to tweet this. If she’s against surrogacy, then say that. If she’s against donor conception be upfront about that. Gay and straight people use both. Why the particular focus on gay and lesbian people?

It's a shame because I'd actually started to like KJK
You kept that quiet.

In the old days, gay men would have an arrangement with lesbians and do it DIY with a syringe.

Maybe it’s harder for lesbians now that men can browse catalogues of women to buy babies from.

Oh and by the way, for almost 1 million years, right the way up until 1977/78 with the arrival of Louise Brown, there was only one way, the " normal way " to get pregnant!

Biology is homophobe AND a terf.

Luckily there are plenty of those. It's probably easier for lesbians to become mothers than at any other time. Fantastic!

This is ridiculous. Do you know how shocking and upsetting it is for couples to find out they have fertility problems? The emotional issues of coming to terms with that infertility? It’s hardly a shock for a same sex couple is it? Infertility is a biological problem not a social one.

And the normal way of producing young for mammals is for a male and female to have sex. You actually seem to be trying to suggest that biology is homophobic!

See! You're off on a tangent again! Way beyond sane/rational conversation!
Exaggeration and projection of your own thoughts onto me or anyone else, isn't a sane/rational thing to do, it's very disingenuous!
As for KJK, maybe you'd like to show us on the dolly where she hurt you? Is it cos you is jealous? because that's what it looks like.
If you don't like how she runs her ship, charter your own boat and see how many people are willing to jump aboard with you, throwing brick bats from a safe distance is rather cowardly!

You are a lesbian and you haven’t heard of doing it with a syringe?