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Why are the filmmakers of Affirmation Generation anonymous

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socialmedia23 · 21/02/2023 22:46

DH was actually becoming very convinced by their arguments but then he asked me what was the source? This was triggered by the fact that there was footage of Helen Joyce on GB News. I actually found this documentary on Mumsnet so I didn't actually know. We stopped watching halfway and we did a deep dive into the people behind the documentary

DH has always been very insistent that he needs to establish the provenance of all the news sources/media that he consumes in order to ensure that they are not fake news sources. Since we can't find anything, he is now convinced that the entire documentary is garbage since we can't establish who is behind them and from what we can surmise, it seems to be a group of mothers of trans kids (many of whom are keeping their identities anonymous). Is it that necessary for them to be so discreet regarding their identities? There is also little coverage of this documentary, which lessens its credibility in DH's eyes.

I feel like a lot of people may think like DH and this would mean that an excellent documentary doesn't reach its intended audience. I feel sad because i was really enjoying the documentary and i felt like i was learning so much but then it is overshadowed by the fact that I don't actually know who is behind it! Dh might sound very unreasonable in what kind of media he permits himself to watch but that is because he attended an ultra orthodox jewish school as a child (where he was told many untrue things) and had a father who was a bit of a conspiracy theorist so he has learnt this way of filtering information (only read news and consume media from reputable sources). I tried to explain to Dh that they are keeping their identities anonymous foe fear of losing their jobs. However at the same time, doesn't that mean the whole argument isn't as convincing and isn't the point of the documentary to educate?

To be fair to DH, he does say he will read Helena Barnes' book about the Tavistock Clinic (recommended by FT) and maybe he will then be ready to watch this documentary...

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Eyerollcentral · 22/02/2023 01:26

socialmedia23 · 21/02/2023 22:46

DH was actually becoming very convinced by their arguments but then he asked me what was the source? This was triggered by the fact that there was footage of Helen Joyce on GB News. I actually found this documentary on Mumsnet so I didn't actually know. We stopped watching halfway and we did a deep dive into the people behind the documentary

DH has always been very insistent that he needs to establish the provenance of all the news sources/media that he consumes in order to ensure that they are not fake news sources. Since we can't find anything, he is now convinced that the entire documentary is garbage since we can't establish who is behind them and from what we can surmise, it seems to be a group of mothers of trans kids (many of whom are keeping their identities anonymous). Is it that necessary for them to be so discreet regarding their identities? There is also little coverage of this documentary, which lessens its credibility in DH's eyes.

I feel like a lot of people may think like DH and this would mean that an excellent documentary doesn't reach its intended audience. I feel sad because i was really enjoying the documentary and i felt like i was learning so much but then it is overshadowed by the fact that I don't actually know who is behind it! Dh might sound very unreasonable in what kind of media he permits himself to watch but that is because he attended an ultra orthodox jewish school as a child (where he was told many untrue things) and had a father who was a bit of a conspiracy theorist so he has learnt this way of filtering information (only read news and consume media from reputable sources). I tried to explain to Dh that they are keeping their identities anonymous foe fear of losing their jobs. However at the same time, doesn't that mean the whole argument isn't as convincing and isn't the point of the documentary to educate?

To be fair to DH, he does say he will read Helena Barnes' book about the Tavistock Clinic (recommended by FT) and maybe he will then be ready to watch this documentary...

Is your husband a bit thick? It’s clear why the people involved in the documentary haven’t released their personal information. I find it astounding that he was convinced of the content but then rejected it all as ‘garbage’ half way through. Are you in the UK? That’s a v US phraseology. There are plenty of other documentary sources and indeed published books, such as Trans and Irreversible Harm your husband could look at. Sorry OP but there is a disingenuous quality about your post that makes me feel it hasn’t been written in good faith.

Melroses · 22/02/2023 01:24

Thank you.🙂

2013isback · 22/02/2023 01:22

Melroses · 22/02/2023 01:16

Has anyone got a link?

vimeo.com/800032857

Melroses · 22/02/2023 01:16

Has anyone got a link?

Thelnebriati · 22/02/2023 01:05

it seems to be a group of mothers of trans kids (many of whom are keeping their identities anonymous). Is it that necessary for them to be so discreet regarding their identities?

Yes. Its not generally considered acceptable for parents to 'out' their children in this kind of situation. I'm very surprised you think they should name themselves just to satisfy anyone's curiosity, or claim that withholding their children's identity makes them less credible.
There are professionals involved who have given their names and you will have to rely on their credibility. I'm not sure where you looked if you really can't find that information, because its on the website.

OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 21/02/2023 23:49

Considering the death threats, rape threats, doxxing, loss of employment, harassment, abuse, targeting of individuals/families/children from the TRA side, is it really so hard to understand why anonymity is necessary?

Justme56 · 21/02/2023 23:06

There is a website for the film. The press release explains why some people have chosen to remain anonymous. It also links to peer reviewed studies mentioned in the film, articles in newspapers etc. I guess he can do a bit of investigation from there.

lochmaree · 21/02/2023 23:01

I dont know but I also watched this and found it sad and hard to watch in places. it was really good though and needs shared more widely.

Have you / your DH watched Ritchie Herron? He's on YouTube, done loads of interviews. UK based, man who fully transitioned from age 25-35 and is now detrans.