This.

Cis simply means not trans so they say.

It never even did, you know?

The researcher who coined the word, did so with the view that conforming to the sex stereotypes and sex role stereotypes associated with one's sex was healthy and rejecting the sex stereotypes and sex role stereotypes of one's own sex and conforming to those of the opposite sex was a sign of mental ill-health.

Of course, it won't surprise anyone that these researchers were men. Because women have always known that we lose out either way - if we do not conform to the stereotypes associated with our sex, we are punished by society. If we do conform to those stereotypes, we are diminished and limited.

That's because sex is the basis upon which women and girls are discriminated against and sex stereotypes and sex role stereotypes (aka gender) are tools used to do so.

The idea that women may be mentally well and still reject stereotypes simply didn't occur to the inventor of the word. One point in his defence - he was dealing exclusively with mentally ill males who identified as women and never even considered women. (No idea if it would be different if he had.)

So to a woman, cis never just means simply not trans, because there is so much more meaning woven into that concept than just a word.

As men who identify with the stereotype of women are really just expressing their preferences, i.e. expressing their personalities, we should treat this like all other preferences being expressed - there's a word needed for those who do. Not for those who don't. Much like we don't have words for those who don't collect stamps, who don't go spotting trains or planes and so on.

Even the BBC have given up on this. Here’s the text of the reply to a complaint I made about a headline they published:

Thank you for getting in touch about this BBC News Online article:

^www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64586523^

This article reports the new policy of the Scottish Prison Service. We initially accurately quoted the Scottish Prison Service who described their policy as using “birth gender” to determine where they would initially place a prisoner.

After the initial reports, we then sought clarity from the SPS about what they meant by “birth gender”. Once we received that clarification, we amended the story to make it clear they were referring to the prisoner’s sex recorded at birth.

We hope this clarification is helpful and we’ve included your complaint on our audience log, a daily report of audience feedback that’s circulated to many BBC Staff including senior news editors, the BBC executive board and other senior managers.

Thank you, once again, for taking the time to contact us.

Kind regards,

BBC Scotland Complaints Team

How about Women and ICan’tBelieveThey’reNot-Women? That should keep everyone happy!

Birth gender?!

Like this charmer....

Trans are the real woman and any one else who is not trans or cis should count themselves lucky that they can still be called women.

That attitude definitely abounds. When I first set foot into the Feminism boards about five years ago, talk of this was the thing that peaked me. I went on to Twitter and came across some charmers saying “We trans people own womanhood now, you’ll have to be something else”.

Blew my mind.

I would too, except for the fact that coffee and decaffeinated coffee are both coffee.

The real equivalent to “transwoman” would have to be something like decaffeinated tea that was calling itself coffee.

Mrs Doyle would be having conniptions at the cheek of it.

Love it @MichelleScarn that is definitely the correct pronunciation.

Woman is fine thanks. It's been fine for years... just because a sub group have decided they want to be called women doesn't mean we need to change it. Let the sub group think up their own name. How about trans-women?

Ironic isn't it... trans-women don't like being called trans-women so women are labelled transphobic if they say it. And when women say they don't like being called cis women trans-women don't like that either so women are called transphobic.

That was to the OP.

yup

the whole ‘but what about women who have had sexual organs removed to treat diseases, are they really women?’ thing is not the gotcha those idiots think it is

Uh?

I am a woman

I have no breasts, no uterus, no ovaries. I take medication to supress female hormones, I am bald and mostly wear mens clothes

Dont you dare try and redefine me into a "subset of woman" alongside some other "subset of women"

I am 100% woman, and noone with a Y chromosome is going to come even within shouting distance, let alone touching distance of what that is

Woman is a great word, why don't we use that? Informative, snappy, rolls off the tongue easily- I vote for woman.

Everything else can be non-woman.

Sex is real.

gender is a made up concept.

woman describes adult human female and nothing else is needed.

others can describe themselves however they want, but they can’t impose that on me.

I'm struggling to say it without sounding like Mrs Doyle offering a cup of tea..
'Gman, gman, gman'

Cis simply means not trans so they say.

To me that means, that Trans are the real woman and any one else who is not trans or cis should count themselves lucky that they can still be called women.

Fuck that for a laugh. How this bastardisation of language has been allowed, I will never understand.

I am a women because I am an adult human female.

I don't need any additional words to describe me or any other woman.

I know what I am and I know what a woman is.

A transwoman ain't that.

Hmmmmmmm

I overthink these things sometimes.
If TWAW then woman is ok for everyone? (that is the logical end to that thought, not necessarily my own thinking on the subject)

So no need for cis. But. Trans women, from what i can see, often like (?) to use the qualifier "trans" so transwoman? but that's not a woman so many don't like that either. So trans woman. But then many don't like that because it's still a "qualifier". but if TWAW - then woman should be ok, ad nauseum ad infinitum

then my head explodes.

What's wrong with WOMAN?

Wonder if OP will be back…..

The problem you have is a very small proportion of the population want to be called something that require the other huge majority to be called something else.

The obvious QED is the majority get called that and the small proportion get the qualifier - "woman" for the majority and "trans-woman" for the minority is far more sensible.

Should start calling it out the term cis-woman for what it is - misogyny.

Nah

Love the coffee analogy