Kate Forbes reported for 'transphobia'

Boobs. She means boobs.

Mastectomy and beard = man
Silicone and lipstick = woman

But phenotype sounds more sciencey.

No. It was a Brian Souter event. 😑

It forcing the term man and woman to be about genotype when society increasingly sees them as a phenotype.

Phenotype is the set of observable characteristics of an individual resulting from the interaction of genes and environment - so if we're increasingly seeing people as phneoypes we are increasingly acknowledging genetically determined cock and balls or the (environmental) effect of surgically created neo-vaginas. That sentence doesn't mean, if you intended it to, that society is increasingly accepting gender identity as overriding biology

It forcing the term man and woman to be about genotype when society increasingly sees them as a phenotype.

This is just wishful thinking on your part. You need to get out of your bubble. No society does not on the whole see the words 'man' and 'woman' as denoting gender instead of sex.
If such a survey were ever to be carried out, I would be willing to bet that about 90% of people agree that these words mean 'person of the male / female sex'.

It means they think definitions are now gender based rather than sex based.

That woman is a mixed sex word and Transwomen are women.

Which is obviously a lie.

ResisterRex · Today 17:13

I don't agree with her on things like abortion. But if her private prayers are being monitored and weaponised, we are in a dark place:

Were they truly private, though? She voiced her thoughts in front of an audience, she didn't say them in her head, or out loud, in a private room.

It forcing the term man and woman to be about genotype when society increasingly sees them as a phenotype

How do you define phenotype?

GrouchyKiwi · Today 17:04

They're really scared of her winning the leadership contest aren't they.

To be honest, all Scots folk should be, she's not the sort you want to be at the top of the power structure. Her strict religious beliefs would certainly influence her actions and if she were FM, people would want to be onboard with her. Nicola Sturgeon, like all leaders, has had things done on the quiet, with little or no scrutiny.

Like Blair, Cameron, Johnson.

@Grumpybutfunny

Very sloppy reply for a politician she should have either declined to answer or answer it properly..

I see you don't know much about Scottish politics. 

First, she was asked the question that Nicola Sturgeon refused to answer; a refusal which was the final nail in NS career as First Minister. So, EVERY contender for the FM job knows they will be asked that million dollar question and has a carefully worded response ready. I'm no fan of KF; but in fact she did answer properly. She told her truth.

As it's stands her answer is transphobic by the code she signed up to represent.

Well, no, she did NOT sign up to represent GRA or Self ID. The exact opposite; she has challenged both.

She didn't vote because she was on maternity leave. She has publically said, she would not have voted in support of GRA or Self ID.

No @Grumpybutfunny, she should definitely not have said what you wrote. For one thing, I think she'd be lying if she said it and also it contains other things which are inaccurate, like 'assigned' used in the context of birth.

It's an Emperor's New Clothes situation - everyone knows he's stark bollock naked but they're too afraid to say anything!

It forcing the term man and woman to be about genotype when society increasingly sees them as a phenotype.

Can anyone translate that for me please? I would like to know whether its worth trying to understand Grumpy or not. I highly suspect its not.

I agree that she shouldn't be disciplined. Wasn't very clear.

and she shouldn’t be disciplined by the snp for making inoffensive to almost everyone statements of fact.

Yes I agree with that, certainly.

“Transphobia” describes discriminatory or prejudiced language or actions, relating to actual or perceived gender identity or gender expression, including denying or refusing to accept gender identity”

This is so confusing. I fully believe that there are individuals who believe that they possess an abstract gender identity, and in some cases it differs from their biological sex.

But I do not possess a gender identity of that kind at all.

So am I forced to accept this concept for myself, too? And then to accept that it might override biological sex in laws etc, possibly severely reducing the rights and freedoms of the female sex?

And if I refuse to accept something which I do not believe in myself (abstract gender identity), I am then a transphobe?

This is why 'valid' is now one of those words which makes me get hives. It's mostly used to declare the majority of people invalid.

“Transphobia may manifest in a range of ways including, but not limited to, deliberately misgendering someone or using phrases or language to suggest their gender identity is not valid, for example referring to a trans woman as a "biological man".
This is hogwash, isn't it? Gender identity is different from biological sex, otherwise what are people transing from and to?
Particularly in Forbes' case, she explicitly says a TW is BOTH.
This is one of the many objections I have to the language around this issue; it's used to deliberately manipulate and obfuscate.

"I'm not quite sure you've grasped the difference between a fact and a lie?
Transwomen are born male - always have been and always will.
Coercing people to deny that is wrong."

Yes but if you are legally allowed to amend your birth certificate to your chosen gender then the lie is continued. The ones pushing for this want trans women to be seen as women from birth and until death -they aren't of course since no-one can change biological sex -that's a fact - they don't like facts. They want everyone to accept them as women - that's the lie that they want others to accept.

And that’s fine.

I do think that a candidate with her religious beliefs is going to struggle if they want to be FM. Exactly for the reasons you’ve outlined.

But there are separate issues where she should be entitled to private prayers.

and she shouldn’t be disciplined by the snp for making inoffensive to almost everyone statements of fact.

doesn’t mean she should be FM.

This needs to happen if there are any obliging SNP members reading.

If Kate broke the code so did humza, and it needs showing up for the absolute nonsense it is.

I'm not quite sure you've grasped the difference between a fact and a lie?
Transwomen are born male - always have been and always will.
Coercing people to deny that is wrong.

She’s allowed her personal beliefs but a lot of people in Scotland don’t particularly want someone who’s anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, anti-sex before marriage as First Minister.

Just because she's now saying that a biological man is a biological man doesn't suddenly endear her to me.

Race is not a genetic category. You cannot look at someone’s genes and tell whether they are white, black, Asian etc.

Even the DNA tests that do are merely finding commonalities in modern day geographic locations. You don’t have 5% ‘Swedish’ DNA. 5% of your DNA is commonly found in people who’ve been tested who live in sweden.

People need to stop using race as a means to stop people talking about biological sex.

I absolutely condemn her stance on abortion.
But this is madness. Like, The Crucible levels of madness.
I must say, I don't think the Forstater ruling is that helpful; it isn't a 'belief' to talk factually about biological sex. I do understand that maybe that was the only way, legally, the case could be brought or made watertight, but it's problematic.

I can't work out if this is all gaslighting or there are just some really stupid people in politics.

Did none of them do biology in school?

Poor Scottish people will have a candidate cancelled out due to using factually correct words. Any Scottish people on here - do you care?