Kate Forbes reported for 'transphobia'

On the news on one of my local radio stations today... sorry, I don't remember the exact wording, but it was something like:

Newsreader: Kate Forbes has come under fire for her opposition to sex outside marriage.
Clip of KF speaking: I don't believe in sex outside marriage, in my religion it is wrong. But if other people believe otherwise, they are welcome to believe that.

So what she said and how it was reported were not really the same. Quelle surprise.

Hebridean · Today 16:47
"the way she phrased it is basically outing the transwoman as being biologically male which isn't okay"

It isn't ok to say that a trans woman is biologically male but now identifies as a trans woman! Why not, it's true. The world we live in where people tie themselves in knots rather than state the truth. Hopefully people are starting to wake up to this nonsense and realise that the facts and truth are important rather than spinning lies. A trans woman is basically a man that wants to be a woman and becoming a trans woman is his best shot at it. He lives as he thinks a woman lives. There is more to being a woman that just saying you are one.

you need to have a rethink as you’re clearly confused.

As a gender identity doesn't define me as a person it just says which sex organs I was born with

Gender Identity doesn’t say anything about your sex organs according to the ideology, that’s the issue.

Well said, Kemi.

I've just had a look at Wings over Scotland twitter and there are MSPs dumping on KF for her views - as if they've only just discovered she is a Christian or is anti-abortion and gay marriage. I strongly disagree with her on those areas but she is obviously a true democrat and a woman of honour and principle. It's so obviously a stitch-up by the SNP faction which wants Humza Yousef. They must think their compatriots are too thick to notice.

Fuck I really like Kemi. I hope she goes far.

Kemi Badenoch has commented:

www.politico.eu/article/uk-equalities-minister-kemi-badenoch-defends-under-fire-snp-hopeful-kemi-badenoch-faith-conservative-party-free-church-scotland/

"Badenoch told a POLITICO event in London Tuesday night that she would defend the right of Forbes to hold those views, and refused to condemn her comments in her role as equalities minister.
“I think that is sad because I believe in freedom of conscience,” she said of the backlash. “That’s one of the things that makes this country great. It’s one of the reasons why many people want to live here.”
Badenoch — viewed as a rising star in the Conservative Party, which is at odds with the SNP on the key question of Scottish independence — said she admired Forbes “for not being dishonest” about her faith.
“It’d be very easy for her to tell lies, just so that she could win that election,” Badenoch said of Forbes. “And she’s not doing that, and I think that that’s something that people need to take into account.”
Badenoch also condemned SNP politicians who have yanked their support from the under-fire contender. Shelved endorsements of Forbes, she argued, show “the level of un-seriousness of many of the people who engage in political activity and commentary.”
Asked by POLITICO whether she would condemn the views Forbes had put forward, Badenoch directly declined, and said that while she personally supports gay marriage, she “would not want people to condemn me for having personal views.”

Pointing to her role as “guardian” of the U.K.’s Equality Act, which includes religious protections, Badenoch said: “To ask me to criticize someone for their religious beliefs, when I’m supposed to be safeguarding it, shows that those people don’t understand equality. What they want is to use the Equality Act as a sword to fight their own personal battles, rather than as a shield to prevent others from discrimination.”"

Yes she has been very forthright and honest in her replies. Also compassionate and clear about separation of church and state.
It seems most Scots agree with her on Self ID . I don't think this means they are socially conservative , although some no doubt are.

I think most Scots are tolerant and broadminded. They just know there is nothing progressive about letting men into spaces where women and girls need privacy and safety. Putting women's health and safety at risk and telling them to shut up about it is authoritarian and regressive.

Maybe it's embarrassing to be told this by a Christian fundamentalist. But that's not Kate's fault.

I think she took the only route open to her and was pretty unequivocal re: not letting her personal beliefs affect how other people live their lives.

Probably this is incompatible with party leadership, but while I disagree with her views I think she's conducted herself honourably.

I think it's a real shame that someone who isn't willing to lie their way to the top, and who has no personal beliefs other than "I am the best, me, me, me", is effectively barred from political leadership.

My beliefs are entirely opposite from hers, but I don't think she should be stopped from political leadership as a result. I think we should have watertight legislative checks and balances in place to stop one person's belief systems overriding the things we don't want to lose - equal marriage, abortion, etc.

Everyone in Scotland knew what Kate Forbes faith based opinions on all of these topics were.

This includes all of those who nominated her and then have backtracked in great haste all day as if it was a terrible surprise.

If she'd chosen to fudge, prevaricate and lie in these interviews she would have been torn apart.

I think she took the only route open to her and was pretty unequivocal re: not letting her personal beliefs affect how other people live their lives.

Probably this is incompatible with party leadership, but while I disagree with her views I think she's conducted herself honourably.

Whisper it quietly but we know. We all know. Two year olds know.

Indeed
Does anyone know any TW who ARENT bio males?

Caster Semenya possibly but that's veering into DSD territory and I don't think the very rare case of such should inform a general definition.

Kate Forbes is a "Wee Free" isn't she, so her being socially conservative shouldn't be a surprise to anyone in Scotland. I think there's a useful discussion to be had on the influence of one's faith on one's public duty. I think people should be able to believe what they like in private but if politicians start making public comments based on those beliefs then they should expect that voters would want to ask questions on how those views would impact policy if they were in a leadership position in the party.

To be honest if I were a voter in Scotland I'd find her views on abortion, children born outside marriage and on marriage equality more worthy of close examination.

"It forcing the term man and woman to be about genotype when society increasingly sees them as a phenotype."

Phenotype does not mean what you think it means.

Seems like some of the SNP can't handle an honest politician.

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This witch hunt against Forbes has the stench of Sturgeon, Robertson and Yousef all over it.

The old guard are using disgusting misogynistic tactics to discredit an honourable woman.

Why do reporters/interviewers keep asking this question if there is only one 'right' answer? Bloody shit stirrers.

AHVE GOT LOADS OF MUGS.

@RealFeminist you should do a line in mugs. Or greetings cards!

What a load of tripe, your idea of what Kate should have said is the word salad to end all word salads. If Kate had come out with that risible bollocks she would have looked and sounded idiotic, the public detest politicians who waffle meaninglessly so good on her for sticking to basic, simple, easily understood words in sentences that the public will understand and appreciate.

For future reference: Sex is not assigned at birth and gender identity is not recognised in law nor is it a protected characteristic in the EQA 2010.

@RealFeminist
THE INDIVIDUAL CONCERNED WAS OUTED AS RAPISTGENDER
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For some reason, all caps makes it funnier!

It forcing the term man and woman to be about genotype when society increasingly sees them as a phenotype

I guarantee you they are seen for exactly what they are. You cannot hide your
Gait
Shoulder width
Large face
Large hands
Large feet
Etc etc

You can call phenotype all you want, but we can see.
No one is forcing genotype, it just is. Cannot change facts.

THE INDIVIDUAL CONCERNED WAS OUTED AS RAPISTGENDER