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Kate Forbes reported for 'transphobia'

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ArabellaScott · 21/02/2023 16:01

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23336504.kate-forbes-may-breached-snp-rules-transphobia/

'KATE Forbes looks set to be probed by the SNP's conduct committee after members of the party's LGBTQ+ wing accused her of breaking rules on transphobia.

In an interview with ITV Border, when asked if she believed a trans woman is a woman, the Finance Secretary replied: "I believe that a trans woman is a biological male who identifies as a woman."'

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howmanybicycles · 27/02/2023 00:35

Christmasisshit · 24/02/2023 07:57

To be an authentic TTW would we need to wear visible packers whilst wearing our over the top female outfits, swishy hair, lipstick and tilting heads like mad?

We're going to have to have pillow fights too and start liberally sharing tampons with random strangers too.

similarminimer · 26/02/2023 23:47

Or even biologically the sex typically associated with the gender with which they identify

similarminimer · 26/02/2023 20:43

The gladd charter is about banning conversion therapy. It doesn't anywhere say that trans people are biologically the sex with which they identify

Florissant · 25/02/2023 22:59

HootyMcboob76 · 25/02/2023 19:52

They can affirm "gender identity" all they want, it's all bollocks anyway. But presumably they still teach ACTUAL science and biology to their med students?

What I'm saying is that if stating that a trans woman is a biological male is a hate crime, then how is it NOT a hate crime in the realm of science?

ie. if its illegal in one context, why is it not illegal in all?

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It's a fool's errand to expect logic and consistency.

HootyMcboob76 · 25/02/2023 19:52

ProstheticConscience · 24/02/2023 19:26

Are you aware that 32 of the UK’s medical schools have signed the GLADD character on affirmation of gender identity?

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They can affirm "gender identity" all they want, it's all bollocks anyway. But presumably they still teach ACTUAL science and biology to their med students?

What I'm saying is that if stating that a trans woman is a biological male is a hate crime, then how is it NOT a hate crime in the realm of science?

ie. if its illegal in one context, why is it not illegal in all?

ResisterRex · 25/02/2023 09:21

Sugarfree23 · 25/02/2023 08:32

The Catholic Church has came out in her support too. I can't remember the exact words but basically saying her views are mainstream Christian views and her treatment will discourage Christians from entering politics.

Which is what the new puritans want.

I say that as a non-religious person who doesn't agree with Forbes on same-sex marriage, and who thinks the Catholic Church has a lot to answer for(!).

A healthy society has a plurality of views. It doesn't seek out and pick off people of faith. And people of faith that make up a healthy society don't seek out and pick off other groups.

Signalbox · 25/02/2023 09:12

phenotype used to mean what sort of haircut you like and whether you’re wearing a dress. 🤣

Give it 6 months and it'll be added as a dictionary definition.

hryllilegur · 25/02/2023 08:58

And then followed up with ‘the party line’ as if leadership candidates aren’t campaigning to be the one that directs that. 😁

hryllilegur · 25/02/2023 08:57

FunnyFox · 25/02/2023 07:19

"The party line..." 😆😆😆

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its even better. The statement ‘If she isn't capable of navigating a simple debate like this without stepping outside of the party line’ followed a paragraph of actual pseudo-biological sounding gobbledegook.

It’s no better than saying: DNA Methylation, Chromatin, Histone Modifications. If she can’t follow a simple debate. 🙄🙄

Crucially, you have to make sure that none of those words are actually used correctly. The important thing is to bamboozle people with technical sounding terminology. And then blame them for being too stupid for not being able to understand what you’re saying.

phenotype used to mean what sort of haircut you like and whether you’re wearing a dress. 🤣

Sugarfree23 · 25/02/2023 08:32

The Catholic Church has came out in her support too. I can't remember the exact words but basically saying her views are mainstream Christian views and her treatment will discourage Christians from entering politics.

FunnyFox · 25/02/2023 07:19

Grumpybutfunny · 21/02/2023 17:10

@StalkedByASpider it is similar tho as you are talking about their genetics and we agree that is wrong, you wouldn't keep changing it to British Asian as they aren't genetically similar to the majority of the British population even tho from a science standpoint say in screening for genetic disease it's very important to know ethnic history just like it is to know if someone is XX or XY.

Therefore it is the same as categorising a trans woman to a biologically male woman which is what she has said. Both are biological statements.

It forcing the term man and woman to be about genotype when society increasingly sees them as a phenotype.

If she isn't capable of navigating a simple debate like this without stepping outside of the party line how is she going to manage relationships with countries where you simply don't state your view? Imagine her on a visit to the Middle East if she has to speak out on gender, is she going to also speak out on the female rights issues and set relationships back. At the end of the day she paid to say things with tact and instead she kicked the ball into the crowds

"The party line..." 😆😆😆

Igneococcus · 25/02/2023 07:11

Times today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/41fb3400-b47c-11ed-abc9-a9456bea4494?shareToken=93e734db5525522c655ab873d9ee7098

"Humza Yousaf, the Muslim MSP who is the frontrunner to be the next SNP leader, said he often consulted the Islamic community about his policy positions."

ResisterRex · 25/02/2023 07:05

AN Wilson has an excellent weekend essay in The Times on Forbes.

The hounding of Kate Forbes shows godless squad have won

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f38500ce-b45f-11ed-bc64-f71663a88018?shareToken=ce887ffa45d87a64b25bf3d49f5a2e96

Sugarfree23 · 25/02/2023 00:54

I read that too that she'd been stalked for 5 years. That's a heck of a long time.

I can't see why theyd vote her leader but deny her 1st Minister that's bonkers but then a great many things SNP do are bonkers.

IcakethereforeIam · 25/02/2023 00:37

Nrtft but has anything been said about this bloke who's just been found guilty of stalking(?) Kate?

She's currently favourite among SNP members but with a lot of undecided , according to some headlines. I've also seen a piece (the Daily Record?), claiming that, should she win, she might still be denied the post of First Minister.

ProstheticConscience · 24/02/2023 19:27

^charter 🙄

ProstheticConscience · 24/02/2023 19:26

HootyMcboob76 · 23/02/2023 16:42

Ok.
So if stating a provable unquestionable biological fact is a transphobic hate crime, then why are all the biology and anatomy and physiology and genetics books not being taken off shelves all over the word and being burned?
Why are persisting in teaching established medical science to med students?
Why isn't Prof. Robert Winston being arrested for perpetuating the myth that sex is immutable, unchangeable and fixed?

If this is an actual CRIME, stating established reality, than EVERYTHING that does so is illegal.

This is so much fucking bollocks.

Men
Are
Not
Women

To be "trans" means that you are NOT that thing. Otherwise you would just BE that thing.

Trans women are biologically male, in every cell of their body. That is not hate, that is a fact.
Arrest me you fucking lunatics.
I'll share my cell with Prof. Winston.

Are you aware that 32 of the UK’s medical schools have signed the GLADD character on affirmation of gender identity?

Nightmare2022 · 24/02/2023 15:44

I love you Kate Forbes

Sugarfree23 · 24/02/2023 14:42

I'd never heard of Kemi so my first impressions are that interview, which is also linked up thread, my first impression is a really really good one.

The BBC are saying the poll for first minister is
Forbes - 28%
Yunsaf - 20%
Ragan - 7%
30% of the vote are undecided
And I'm guessing the others have voted for other less known MSPs.

NotHavingIt · 24/02/2023 14:27

Kemi Badenoch being her usual effortlessly brilliant self

Politico interview

PaterPower · 24/02/2023 11:05

I’d rather have the chance to vote for someone like Forbes than any of the three major choices for UK PM.

She appears to be competent, she’s not been embroiled in financial scandal, doesn’t seem to hobnob with the super rich, seems to be able to speak honestly about her thoughts and plans, and hasn’t gargled the gender-woo juice.

As she’s pointed out herself, her religious views are in line with all three Abrahamic faiths. Tony Blair is Catholic; Gordon Brown is Church of Scotland; Thatcher, Major and Cameron are/were CoE Protestants; we’ve got Muslim senior ministers… yet we don’t seem to have banned abortion, or rolled back on gay marriage.

NotHavingIt · 24/02/2023 10:28

"As I say, what we have here is a clash of two religions. One of them is full of sanctimonious, swivel-eyed moral scolds, rooting out heresy and trying to indoctrinate everybody into their fantastic way of thinking. The other is a branch of Calvinism. One of them asks “what would Jesus do?” and the other “what would Owen Jones think?”. Faced with a choice between their representatives on earth, I know which kind I would prefer to see in high office"

NotHavingIt · 24/02/2023 10:26

Kathleen Stock writes about the opersecution of Kate Forbes in Unherd:

unherd.com/2023/02/the-crucifixion-of-kate-forbes/

SinnerBoy · 24/02/2023 09:37

Christmasisshit · Today 08:13

Badly applied lipstick is perfect.

You will need:

  1. A few drinks
  2. Boxing gloves
  3. A rocking chair
  4. The lights off
GailBlancheViola · 24/02/2023 09:16

Happylittlechicken · 24/02/2023 08:40

I’m practicing swishing and tilting as we speak! 😂😂😂😂😂

Be careful out there @Happylittlechicken you could do yourself an injury😆