Anyone else hearing of backlash against trans ideology among their teens?

My two older children (past teenage) have observed that all those they’ve come across who claim a trans identity are completely screwed up. That fits well with the information that’s starting to come from various “gender” clinics, where huge numbers of the children seem to have been abused or bullied by their families or guardians.

If anyone mentions trans around my 14yo ds, he rolls his eyes and changes the subject.

He's bored to death by the whole topic. It's just not relevant to him or the vast majority of teens. He doesn't comment on the various LGBT families near us and can't see what all the fusss is about.

However, I'd also add that the majority of working class teens and children never bought as much into this in the first place. It is mostly the preserve of the privileged, middle class teen with clueless #bekind parents or status-seeking parents. In my experience, anyway.

I'm in a deprived very working class area and keep reading this on here and I really wish it was the case - it could be it's wales where there's a lot of top down stuff or maybe it's now in working class areas so that's outdated view- I don't know.

With DD1 peers it's the one with difficult home lives who seem to get swept up the most. BreadInCaptivity comments about NB identifying students attracting more skepticism I do agree with.

DC3 16 when asked who identifies as trans or non-binary at school says "attention-seeking losers". View of entire friendship group. Not sold on TWAW, also not interested in the debate.

I should add that some kids use trans status to bully others, so this assessment doesn't come out of nowhere. DC3 is not on social media and, having spent a lot of time talking about proper online behaviour, would hope DC does not engage in ridiculing anyone online.

DC2 20 is at uni and eternally confused about the issue. Sometimes be kind and TWAW, sometimes not. Some friends falling on our side of the debate, others opposed. Was once 100% TWAW.

DC1 24 was once 100% TWAW as well but after life experiences in friendship group hit home the reality of male violence against women and the need for female survivors to have female-only services and spaces, now much tempered.

*sorry - should read most of her friends are FtoM transgender

A fellow GC friend told me last week that she's seen a change in the feed back from her secondary age children - both who don't buy into this ideology but keep their heads down about it at school.

Apparently they told her whilst there is still a lot of sympathy for "proper" trans pupils, the NB identifying students are routinely being touted as the "they be babies" in reference to the chosen "they" pronouns and perceptions of infantile behaviour/demanding/crying if they don't get attention.

Bullying?

The entire ideology is ripe for ridicule. Many young people see that the Emperor is naked. They’re bored rigid by alphabet labels.

Aha! I've found my people!

I've been thinking about starting a thread for days/weeks and not known where to post - and fear of being called bigoted and phobic (I am neither, but I am a long time MNetter) - I wasn't sure if it was the right board to start a discussion on but if it is, I'll start a new thread.

I could not be happier to see a backlash. I fear my DD(14) is headed down this path with no brakes. I need brakes and if anyone can tell me how to stop this as i'm getting desperate.

She is a cliche of all the posts above. She had some issues returning after covid with anxiety at school and transition to high. Now 2 years on she is surrounded by this mess of a peer group where your 'issue' is a banner (usually rainbow coloured) that you wave with pride (no pun intended). Most of her friends are MtoF trans of the highest spouting order. It's like she's being brainwashed. At first she was just friends with them all - they are 'quirky' and cool, then one by one they've started to get more extreme and she's following - she now refuses to wear any gendered clothing, i've caught her wearing her bra and a sports bra over the top which is too small (is this an attempt at binding?), she reads non-binary books, writes non-binary stores,her friends are all they/them and have non-binary names, and although she denies she's trying to be trans (apparently she's insistent she's a she, but she won't conform to female stereotypes), I fear it's in the offing, basically.

There is no way it's declining in her school, in fact the epidemic is spreading like wildfire. One of her FtoM trans friends has got herself a boyfriend. A binary boy. So I asked DD what that means - is the friend and her boyfriend now a gay male couple? - cue massive eyeroll, 'don't be stupid, they are trans yes, but the boy is cis and hetro, and trans friend is OBVIOUSLY therefore bi-sexual, DUH' <massive sigh from me>.

It's contagious. And if someone was doing this to her over a religion i'd be allowed to stop it - but it honestly feels like she's being dragged into a cult and I have no idea what to do about it.

I just think it worth being careful about hearing want we want to hear - most posters on here want teens to be GC like them.

I think it's a much more confused picture with regional and age differences and lots of nuance.

Ridiculing the ideology, not the kids themselves.

As far as I can tell it’s creepy trans adults on TikTok such as Jeffery Marsh and Dylan Mulvaney who have turned thousands of teens off the whole trans shebang, rather than their vulnerable peers.

’Influencer’ celebrities aren’t always a positive thing.

However, I'd also add that the majority of working class teens and children never bought as much into this in the first place. It is mostly the preserve of the privileged, middle class teen with clueless #bekind parents or status-seeking parents. In my experience, anyway.

The majority of our pupils are also from working class backgrounds. We only ever had one who boy who was persistent about wearing girls clothes and toys but was seen by the Tavistock pre crazy so nothing happened, reassured he was fine and interested in fashion.

I would be concerned if my DC were ridiculing trans and non binary children. What kind of a mum is so self-congratulatory about such bullying?

I teach autistic children and for many years y5/6 have been either very rigid about gender stereotypes (which we've had to tackle) or very relaxed about it.

One was very scathing about furries, (and used the word furries) when we watched a newsround clip of an autistic girl ice skating with her fox tail on.

But they're not teens.

’Genderspecial’ has been heard amongst my eldest’s friendship group!

My teenagers have zero patience with it all and think it’s all the self-absorbed specialtons (their word, not mine) who are into being alphabet people.

I take it that poor Gizmo was exposed to trans ideology and the early episodes of Brookside.

I wonder if that is linked to support for SNP/ anti English sentiment.

I work with a lot of teenagers and I see both tolerance and intolerance. I see them having a “live and let live attitude”, but then openly say things like, “but they aren’t a real wo/man, there is a big difference”.

I have 2 teens and they again are pretty chilled about things, and are live and let live. They do however come home from school and massively sound off about having LGBTQ+ rammed down their throats and dropped into every single lesson at school. Their words, not mine.

I think it’s becoming overkill and teens are tiring of a small minority taking up most of the platform.

I know a teenage girl who is very good and kind and very much 'Trans Women Are Women' but they have recently turned one of the girls' toilets at her school into a mixed-sex one (they still have single sex options but now the girls have fewer facilities) and she says she and the other girls feel too uncomfortable to use it. Even the handful of girls who identify as boys continue to use the female-only facilities. There is also a boy in her year who now identifies as a girl. He does PE with the girls but uses a different changing area. Again the girls have said they are uncomfortable with this. It's a bit frustrating because the girls are inconvenienced and acknowledging discomfort but not quite at the point where they are questioning the ideology.

I was curious about the periods thing, apparently some trans women claim to suffer many of the symptoms post-hormone treatment.

This article seems to be the source of a lot of it.

"Transgender women may experience physical, emotional, and psychological symptoms similar to those of PMS if they use hormone therapy. Hormone therapy can have multiple side effects, such as breast tenderness and rapid changes in mood.

People can track their symptoms in a variety of ways. Doing this may help them recognize when certain symptoms are unusual for them.

Taking this information to a healthcare professional may also make it easier for them to offer suitable treatment, if necessary.

I wonder if Isla Bryson suffers with her 'period'. I'm sure the prison will make suitable accommodations.

Thats not my experience and I work with this cohort. Most trans children in care come from parents who push the narrative, its part of the emotional abuse/neglect the child is experiencing.

I wouldnt go as far as fabricated induced illness but much of the dynamic from these parents has that flavour.

The other side of it is that a large proportion of children in care have a number of coexisting ND diagnoses and have abusive and trauma experiences. So their exposure to it whether from their families or outside of that makes them ripe for grooming.

I don't know how you tell as I have three DC two school years apart.

Older two at 14 looked really skeptical - it was push via schools - we're in wales in a deprived area- then that slowly changed and when I hear an occasional comment that gives me hope they are thinking it through - it springs back pretty quickly.

DD2 is currently 14 and about it all - but she said something Ds would have said 12 months ago and he bit her head off about it.

It's still a worry DD1 is bi and has a very nice girlfriend - may be ND - and fingers crossed will head of to uni next year and I worry about LGBT groups which she may look to join influence on her - I worry about DS also likely ND and looking to go into an IT.

I think they may be being kind and parroting their social groups take but it is really hard to get a read on their actual views. Older two changed from it's the kids who want drama to be kind stance to it's life now deal and remember people's pronouns.

DN in England similar age was lesbian at one point now has a boy friend - and her group is apparently more eye rolly.

@RoyalCorgi god i hope goth is the next trend. Badly died hair and a stupid haircut can be grown out and the only lasting damage are notebooks (or probably tumblr posts) of embarrassingly bad poetry.

Well luckily the OP didn’t say her teens were ridiculing them online.
However, some of the ‘influencers’ are ridiculing their viewers with their absolute nonsense, not forgetting their very dodgy invitations to “get in touch”.