Anyone else hearing of backlash against trans ideology among their teens?

My teens and their friends despise they/them as it isn’t grammatically correct apparently!

They despise them?? Really? You must be so proud

Just horrible

Some people need to learn the difference between 'ridicule' and bullying.

As the great gender-non-conforming philosopher Adam Ant once said 'ridicule is nothing to be scared of'

Wow. So many proud parents here, proud of their children bullying others.
You know a lot of these children who are trans are autistic. They don't deserve to be laughed at and ridiculed.

The OPs comments just made me think of Andrew Tate and this whole new wave of hate and misogyny.

I get the reasons you don't like the trans thing but don't be proud of kids being bullies FFS

A couple of observations about class and trans ideology.

Being working class and growing up in care / being at risk are not synonymous or even that overlapping.

I wonder if the working class communities where trans ideology is endemic are ones where there are a lot of publicly funded charities running youth activities of the TQ+ variety...I often see Gender Rainbow Youth Clubs, Period Poverty Initiatives etc advertising in deprived urban areas.

I would be concerned if my DC were ridiculing trans and non binary children. What kind of a mum is so self-congratulatory about such bullying?

There is a girl at my son's school who wears a tail because she is a 'furry'.

Can you honestly expect 16 and 17 year old young people not to laugh at that? That girl, sorry furry, has been set up for ridicule by adults who should know better and are too scared to tell her to not be so stupid for fear of upsetting her as she pins her tail to her jeans.

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@Mykittensmittens I'm afraid I don't have any nuggets of wisdom, just huge amounts of sympathy. Have you read 'Irreversible Damage' by Abigail Shrier? If not, I wholeheartedly recommend it, as it's a book on the craze of teen girls wanting to change gender, why and how to combat this craziness. You should find it helpful.
Irreversible Damage: Teenage Girls and the Transgender Craze

DD13 is at a girls school and she and her friends refer to the “they/thems” in pitying tones…by all accounts it seems to be the girls who are unpopular/overweight/unhappy that get captured by the ideology. It is NOT seen as aspirational, more something to be pitied.

@Tiggernpoo This is my experience too. DD thinks only the uncool kids are into the Trans trend. I can see why. As a PP has said, they get the attention/validation that they need and crave by following this ideology.

@Mykittensmittens sorry to @ you. My holding position is no compelled speech and no agreeing to hormones, surgery or saying she's a boy. At 14 you've got some space for the madness to subside. Dd is 16 and I'm very worried.

This is sickening.

I think you might be confused about who is guilty of bullying in this situation. Teenagers, like everyone else, must be fed up to the back teeth with cancel culture and demands to pander to attention seeking behaviour. Also, like most adults, teenagers are likely to be pretty live and let live but must find the constant policing of language and pronoun/name changes exhausting.

The ideology deserves to be ridiculed. Attention seeking individuals should be ignored rather than indulged at the expense of everyone else's mental well being.

There have been trans women on TikTok ridiculing tampons « where does that go? Does that go inside you?! » which there has been lot of backlash about.

There have also been trans women on TikTok who have claimed to have a period. When called out on this, with people saying a period is shedding uterine lining, they have sought to redefine language to say they do have a period (mood swings etc) but don’t menstruate.

Its really upsetting.

My teens and their friends despise they/them as it isn’t grammatically correct apparently!

There is one trans teen in DS14’s year, who is avoided and eye rolled at because she draws trans flags on all of her books, worksheets and if she can get her hands on them, the worksheets of the person sat next to her. It’s like a whole identity that is part of every conversation. The other kids don’t want that stuff rammed down their throats.

I genuinely believe that the majority of teens and adults find the whole thing absurd, but stay quiet so they’re not labelled as transphobic.

My reply has been deleted by MNHQ. No idea why - I wasn't abusive, offensive and I certainly didn't misgender anyone! I said pretty much what many others on this thread have said which is that my DS is 15 and he and his friends have very little time for trans ideology and even less time for NB.

It's from a sf short story. Something like 'I sexually identify as an attack helicopter'

He must be a reader 😀

DD13 is at a girls school and she and her friends refer to the “they/thems” in pitying tones…by all accounts it seems to be the girls who are unpopular/overweight/unhappy that get captured by the ideology. It is NOT seen as aspirational, more something to be pitied.

DS16 at boys school tells me they get bombarded with it at every PSHE session - “I swear Mum, PSHE is all about trying to sell being trans as a great lifestyle choice”. There is one boy who wears a dress to school and DS and his friends couldn’t care less - they see it as being very niche and can’t understand why so much time is spent on it. He reckons the school “has to do it” but secretly they all know it’s bullshit.

DS20 at university and says he never comes across is in his social circles…..totally not interested and 100% GC as are all his friends. He says they are in the majority and when he reads about how woke universities are supposed to be he reckons he must be living in a parallel universe…he thinks that twitter is a small echo-chamber of radical people. He has a few gay friends and they do not associate themselves with the trans brigade either.

Interesting.

The closest case to home I know, her mother is a writer. I saw their daughter as a baby. Got in touch with the family some years later and with dawning silent horror and profound sadness worked out, as they spoke of BoysName but never of GirlsName that, no, they hadn't had a boy shortly afterwards...

Didn't say anything. I haven't walked in their shoes, it's not something I have useful personal knowledge of, I'm sure they meant to do the right thing. It was all way too late to make a difference even if I was an expert with superhuman powers of influence.

The older sibling works in mental health:/

Back in the day I too used to innocently take it all at face value, you know, the "born in the wrong body" stuff, and it's only relatively recently, after the physical experiences of living in my female body as an adult for decades including a perimenopause libido surge and then the less fun menopause, and seeing more people being trans IRL, that I came to the view that none of the current stuff makes sense. Like others I find myself drawing parallels with lobotomies or valium or thalidomide or the dark side of the "sexual revolution" that ended up with Jimmy Saville doing what he did.

in her year (9) there are 10 FtoM trans kids

IME end of year 8 & year 9 are the ‘coming out’ years and then 6th form (if different location to school) are the ‘going back in’ years. I find myself wondering how many GCSE certs are going to have to be reissued due to desistence from the trans identity listed on the paperwork!

The older teens who ‘come out’ at uni I have yet to observe any patterns for, but in the pre-trans-as-fad era, 7 years is a much discussed average figure for when the fantasy bubble bursts (which if you start at 18/19, coincides with the brain’s frontal lobe reaching full maturity).

My DDs (13, 18) can't stand Dylan Mulvaney and neither can their friends. They think Dylan mocks girls and that angers them. Oldest DD and friends have more sophisticated reasons (eg patriarchy, objectification of women) but younger teens see it as a grown man ridiculing them. They and their friends "hate watch" Dylan so makes me wonder how much Dylan's algorithms represent actual fans vs critical viewing. The girls who dislike Mulvaney the most come from a Muslim background and/or non-white family and say they can spot misogynistic behavior easier than white girls with liberal parents (their views, but I find a lot of validity in this observation). Plus, Dylan thinks Dylan is like Beyoncé so...yeah...they don't care for white men posturing "if she can, I can."

All think pronouns are stupid but try to use them for various reasons, the main one being social pressure. Another reason is they will do it for a friend who they worry is mentally unwell and a third reason cause "they will get in trouble" from school/work etc if they don't.

Youngest DD around age 12 got scared by a TW in a women's changing room who was being loud and dancing around. She just ran out and whispered to MIL "there's a weird guy in there." MIL and DD just left.

My oldest peaked at age 18 after male friend who identifies as woman started making crass comparisons and also thought sexual harassment was a compliment.

DD (14) came home from school in an absolutely furious mood and half shouted at me that trans girls are not real girls and why the hell did she get into trouble for telling the trans girl no, she only dates real girls (DD is a lesbian and trans girl will not leave her alone, keeps demanding they go on a date and won’t take no for an answer). Told her I didn’t have a fecking clue but she was 100% correct. We’ve just moved house so moving her school now too thankfully.

bucking the trend with the background thing. Very much working class area, quite deprived. DD is unusual in that she is taken to school from a village outside that area and in comparable terms we are middle class and affluent. Her/our family background is very stable, she’s never had a trauma, bullying or upheaval. Very boring traditional upbringing.

in her year (9) there are 10 FtoM trans kids.

if someone can bottle some backlash and send it over I’d be most grateful. I need her to get a cool friend who does some of the cynical eye rolling about it all - instead of all her peers who revere and then mirror the preaching ringleader.

There's definitely a class divide re trans ideology. My ds goes to a school in a very working class area. Says there's one trans kid in his year of 200 kids.
My friends ds, similar background but goes to private school with mainly middle class kids is a member of the school lgtb club. Really goes to show how strongly influenced children are by their peers.
But yeah, the working class kids didn't go in for it in the first place really.
I remember my ds coming home from school aged around 10 saying 'mum, there's a man in a dress walking down our street'. Observant is my ds . What he didn't see was a woman and I wasn't about to start gaslighting him.

My DD14 thinks it's all a load of nonsense. We both agree that it'll be interesting to see how many of the trans teens will still be trans within the next 12 months.

Sadly no. DS1 is gay and has totally drunk the kool aid and believes that challenging the idea of 'assigned the wrong sex at birth' is conversion therapy. In all other areas of life he is an independent critical thinker. But he did recently attend an LGBT fancy dress party as Harry Potter so he is brave...

DS2 was much more inclined to be critical until he fell in love with a woman who identies as male. They are adorable together and I really like and love 'them'.