Anyone else hearing of backlash against trans ideology among their teens?

This is an issue. DS2 and his friends definitely avoid the trans kids. They are very obviously troubled young people and the trans ideology - plus how it’s being handled at school - are making them more socially isolated. They are just friends with each other and everyone else avoids them entirely, both because of the danger of being called ‘transphobic’ if they don’t police their language enough and because the trans kids seem to entirely define themselves and their interests by trans ideology (so the other kids just have nothing in common with them).

Things were crap for lots of kids in the 90s when I was at school (especially for gay kids or those with MH issues), but at least none of the teachers were setting up celebratory bulimia clubs and offering advice/encouraging advice giving about the best laxatives.

My dd is 17. She understands basic biology and knows that people can't actually change sex. She believes in the importance of protecting single sex spaces and she recognises that notions of gender are largely based on sex stereotypes that aren't helpful to anyone. She knows that gender is not actually a thing. That said, she would not ridicule anyone who does buy into gender ideology, she would respect people's chosen names and pronouns etc, and she is disturbed by what she perceives as some of the more aggressive feminist rhetoric on this subject, which she thinks actually alienates a lot of young people from their cause.

Not nice to do it to their faces, but I see nothing morally wrong with privately ridiculing people who believe ridiculous things.

Yes I wonder about this. My colleagues daughter has gone from presenting as being a non-binary lesbian to being a gay man and is on a gay dating site. They're going to have a mastectomy at some point and are taking testosterone. So basically they are a heterosexual woman who is actively avoiding heterosexual men probably due to some sort of trauma.

It would be interesting to see if there is a 'backlash' that correlates with the increase in young women seeking treatment for 'gender dysphoria' - an unexpected result of reinforcing gender stereotypes, is that young women reject them altogether. This potentially affects straight men, and therefore cannot be tolerated.

Unfortunately because most of the kids identifying as trans were already struggling socially due to autism, trauma, bullying etc. many of the younger Gen Z kids look at older trans teens and see them as weird and losers. They don’t think being trans is cool. I have heard comments from younger kids (11-13) and they prefer to avoid the trans kids. They admire older kids who are skilled socially or athletically or artistically or whatever. I think they also think the older trans kids are immature. They just don’t want to emulate them anyway.

Here in the UK I do know two parents with trans female kids who want to be male, and it’s causing no end of difficulties. The parents are affluent middle class, Guardian readers, and are supportive of their kids, calling them their new name and pronouns.

The difficulties are that the kids really seem troubled, one has huge mental health problems which they insist are all about being a boy but I’m not so sure, they don’t want to change their all girls grammar school but want to be treated as a boy with male toilets etc, and the other one has been bullying her parent and I do wonder if other kids see some of the problems and just think ‘steer clear’?

Have Irish nephews and they are not sold on any of it. They see social media as being dominated by teenage girls though who will pounce on a tiny word they say wrong so they don’t share these views publicly. They are very supportive of their male friends coming out as gay, which to them is different. Some of the people they know who are trans seem really troubled.

The girls are more supportive of trans ideology, but generally because it seems that girls are more dominant language wise on social media.

OP it's heartening to hear you say this as you're in ROI. I'm in NI & whilst trans ideology had started to raise it's head here, down south seemed well and truly caught in its grasp.
I'm so happy to hear that Irish teens are starting to see through this.

Do you remember the phenomenon of ‘Indigo Children’ from about 20 years ago?

Sometimes I suspect the ‘trans children’ and ‘nonbinary kiddos’ of activist/therapist parents are just the latest version:

amp.theguardian.com/society/2006/aug/05/familyandrelationships.lifeandhealth

Same here (public services)

It must be horrendous for those parents of Rapid Onset girls.

Mind you I mentioned a primary age girl earlier on who returned to school after the lock-down and was idetifing as a boy. She has an older sister who apparently identifies as non-binary. Both parents, I believe, are psycho therapists, or certainly in that field.

Loads of people are staying quiet about it at work.

The civil service is awash with people who think it’s utter, dangerous nonsense but don’t feel they can raise that because they fear they’ll be excommunicated.

Higher education is too. Wrong speak in the humanities and social sciences can be career ending.

There will be a flood when the dam comes down.

Agree. I stay quiet about it as I just can't risk my job. Same with DH.

I'm beginning to think the majority of people of all ages don't believe in genderwoo but have been conditioned not to let on that the emporer has no clothes.

This is borne out by some anonymous surveys eg yougov

Actually I've noticed a lot of Gen Z's especially the young ones really hate it but they have been trained well to watch their mouths. I have a hobby that attracts a lot of really 20's something and they really don't like it. My niece and her friends make a frownie face when the subject comes up but keep quiet.

I think it’s interesting that people who are quite rational and fallow the science on things like covid and climate change, throw their brains out the window with gender ideology.

That's very true. The two "wokebro" LOJ types that I know pride themselves on their scientific rationality. But they have suspended their critical thinking facilities when it comes to TWAW

I think it’s interesting that people who are quite rational and fallow the science on things like covid and climate change, throw their brains out the window with gender ideology.

It's very frustrating. They don't seem to understand that there are nuances.

I think the trans movement has self imploded. I think a bit of public support has brought out all the hairy faced men wearing sparkly eyeshadow and wanting to support the trans kids. Or those revolting men wiggling their boobs in public.
Quite rightly everyone is distancing themselves.

Me too @Abra1t. I can't discuss this stuff with my liberal US friends, because I'd lose them if they had any idea how GC I am. They've been indoctrinated to such a degree that there is no reasoned discussion to be had.

RedToothBrush (As an aside, I find it fascinating that the latest Pokemon games are showing a shift and theres a big change planned. Some history: For the last 30 years Ash has been the hero of the cartoon and you could only play the games as a boy. News has recently come out saying that Nintendo is planning to axe him and replace him with a lead for the first time. The latest games - Scarlet and Violet allow you to play as a girl for the very first time.

As an aside to your aside, this is not right. I was playing Pokemon back in the Game Boy days and you could always choose to play as a girl. There is a funny bit in the character set up where Professor Oak asks you whether you are a boy or a girl (though not as funny as the part where he asks you to remind him what his grandson's name is).

I’ve still frozen or muted most of my US liberal politically active friends on sm, though. I knew I would crack and post mildly GC arguments and lose them as friends and bring down a
mob on myself.

So they never hear ripostes from anyone who isn’t very right wing and their world view continues. I have to wait for them to work it out for themselves.