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Anyone else hearing of backlash against trans ideology among their teens?

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KnittingDiva · 20/02/2023 11:00

My 14 year old DS has been telling me that among his age group now there is no tolerance for Trans/NB TikTok influencers and that they are being ridiculed etc..

This is a very different attitude than when my older two (17 and 19) were at that age and it was the start of that trend and they would have been overtly respectful on that issue (would have avoided it mostly but not ridicule).

It seems it is now seen as being an 'older' person trying to be cool with the kids and a bit creepy.

Anyone else noticed this change or is it just here (Rep of Ireland)?

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HaveYouSeenNancy · 20/02/2023 11:39

DD plays hockey for the county and it's often come up in conversation regarding hypothetical situations e.g. opposing a male player or in the changing/shower room. She thought that half her team would be okay with it last year, but this year the whole team have said they'd refuse to play or get changed with a guy. Their coach (female) has always discussed it with them quite openly and never given an opinion either way, but she has two hockey playing daughters and I suspect she's gc. I think that for sporty teenagers there have been too many examples of the unfairness in too short a time - the ideology overplayed it's hand.

BoredOfThisMansWorld · 20/02/2023 11:34

Yes. My own kids are younger but late teen/ early adult family members are over it. Even the more social justice warrior type ones. My suspicion is that non binary was the cause. It's infinitely easier to adopt as an identity so numbers swell; it requires just as much buzz kill language and thought policing; the utter lack of logic really tests the imperative to "be kind" which after all was founded on sympathy for old school transexuals.

Icedlatteplease · 20/02/2023 11:28

Yy to using new names to people's faces. She has a tendency to call them it behind their back

Icedlatteplease · 20/02/2023 11:27

DD17 is if anything more gender critical than me and has been so for a good many year. The requisitioning of a set of female toilets at school to be gender neutral when DD was about 13 did the job

Mizzem · 20/02/2023 11:26

My 14 year old DD is quite scathing. No tolerance for pronouns and trans contagion nonsense in school, and lots of pisstaking dog / dogself etc. at home. I'm surprised really because I could easily see her being the 'bekind' type, but she is very funny, and I think the absurdity of it all appeals to her sense of humour. Her younger brother has an 'enby/fluid' gf and DD told me quietly 'she's one of those' with an eyeroll. DS is 13 and very GC in theory but is surrounded by it. He will use new names and pronouns at school but privately he doesn't. He speaks quite eloquently about it to be fair e.g. he totally accepted his male friend liking pink glittery accessories becasue he likes them, but takes issue with the same friend now saying he has a glittery bag 'becasue he's trans'. SDS 14 says his yeargroup is full of people lying about their gender which tickled me. I think the tide is turning. Now boring old adults (in their eyes) are fully on board I'm sure it is starting to lose its shine to teens.

potniatheron · 20/02/2023 11:25

Talking to a relative at a family lunch yesterday. He's gay, Gen Z. Openly making fun of Sam Smith, correctly sexing SS, saying non-binary is just the new emo/goth. A couple of years ago he appeared captured by the ideology but yesterday it was actually me reminding him that SS uses 'they' pronouns (I got mocked for doing so).

beastlyslumber · 20/02/2023 11:24

I haven't seen this but I'm not surprised if it's happening. I hope it is! Trends change.

However, I'd also add that the majority of working class teens and children never bought as much into this in the first place. It is mostly the preserve of the privileged, middle class teen with clueless #bekind parents or status-seeking parents. In my experience, anyway.

LucyLeave · 20/02/2023 11:24

I wouldn't be happy if my teens told me they were ridiculing people on line.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 20/02/2023 11:23

My youngest (11) is looking at my middle (16) with pity and horror - there is nothing cool about the ‘trans teens’ anymore - the younger ones see them as miserable and embarrassingly self absorbed, they’ve been so busy ‘identifying as’ they’ve forgotten to develop any cool skills (skateboarding, playing in punk bands etc).

My eldest (22) has always seen gender as bullshit but spent his university years keeping those thoughts quiet. He’s out the other side of uni now and back to speaking his mind.

Orangesandlemons77 · 20/02/2023 11:20

I think it is good that they are thinking differently but it's not very nice to ridicule people. I wouldn't be happy if my DC were doing that.

Sweetcarol · 20/02/2023 11:18

DS 2 15 is very much of the #be kind type but is happy to discuss. Listened to a bit of a Helen Joyce interview together on a Marshall matters podcast. He immediately disagreed with it but when pinned down (not literally) he admitted that trans women should not participate in female sports nor be in 'sensitive' spaces for biological women like public bathrooms, refuges etc. Tbh he only knows of 1 'trans' teen at school (F to M) so don't think it's that much of a trend within his circle.
DS 1 20 is very much GC but he's fairly traditionally right wing, would have voted for Brexit etc.

bellinisurge · 20/02/2023 11:12

Conversation with teen last night. She totally gets that pronouns are bullshit but she believes so fervently that transwomen are women that she is content for them to be in women's prisons. And I am prejudiced for thinking otherwise. Ho hum.