Anyone else hearing of backlash against trans ideology among their teens?

Ah, maybe I'm wrong then. Just in my experience working with older teens in college, you can see an obvious class divide in identities.

Yup. The two or three trans kids I know are all offspring of writer and journalist friends.

Think there's a lot of domestic abuse in the background of trans kids. Care kids likely to have experience of abuse of some sort. Also- hear about a lot of "used to be trans kids". So kids do dabble and then change their mind.

Yes I am.

Perhaps now the 'trans influencers' are getting older they don't appeal to children so much?

I noticed that transman influencer ‘Jammidodger’ who has over a million subscribers now rarely gets over 150k views on a video.

It's sad about the high rates in children in care. I think it said something similar in the Time to Think book about the Tavistock clinic.

I think each school has it's own culture, 'looked after' children seem very vulnerable to this and they're less likely to be middle class. Apparently it's rife in Blackpool which has the highest proportion of children in care in the country.

Perhaps now the 'trans influencers' are getting older they don't appeal to children so much?

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DD13's eyes roll whenever the topic comes up. She is particularly scathing about furries, as apparently that is rife in her class/year. Not much tolerance for they/them pronouns either.

Friend's daughters who are 16 and 18 are completely TWAW/TMAM though, but I don't know how much of that is generational and how much is just that they live and attend school/college in a more right on area than we do (not saying this to be critical - I would love to live there - i just can't think of another way to describe it).

I agree with this too, to some extent.
I work in education in a deprived area of London. My teens go to an average London state school with predominantly working class kids.

I can say categorically that the majority of BOYS in these settings think it’s all weird, niche BS. The girls have been more captured by the ‘be kind’ stuff, but I do see a change in the last few months - definitely. Also more awareness among parents of the problematic nature of some of the issues.

It is mostly the preserve of the privileged, middle class teen with clueless #bekind parents or status-seeking parents. In my experience, anyway.
I was with you until you got to the parents. I can assure you I'm neither of those. I do have an autistic child who has swallowed the gender myth and is trying to be a boy. Much to my displeasure and objection.

I'd be very happy for Tik tok influencers like Dylan Mulvany and Jeffrey Marsh to be held up for ridicule.

My older DC (25) has no time for any gender nonsense. Younger one (18) has been exposed much more to it, with one friend coming back after Covid as a social media obsessed TW. But I wonder if they're beginning to fed up with it all - there was much eyerolling at the bloke on Only Connect last week.

My friend's daughter attends a very working class area city centre Glaswegian secondary and it seems rife there.

However, I'd also add that the majority of working class teens and children never bought as much into this in the first place. It is mostly the preserve of the privileged, middle class teen with clueless #bekind parents or status-seeking parents. In my experience, anyway.

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This is definitely a pattern I've seen too.

I'm of the opinion that would-be trans/NB "influencers" need ridiculing.

I think it's perfectly acceptable to ridicule the ridiculous. Not looks, but ideas.... there comes a point where its OK to stop "being kind" and say " the emperor has no clothes on"

I think it's fine to ridicule an ideology that preaches tolerance, and practises no debate and bullying.

I'm also up for ridiculing some of Sam Smith's costumes.... I think that's almost universal. I'm sure that's helping peak every generation.

The teen trend aspect of all this isn't sustainable just because of how different generations have their own cultural flash points.

Which doesn't mean all kids going forward will cease to identify as different genders/pronouns but I think we are somewhere near or already past the peak of them doing it on a mass scale.

At some point other things will become the 'in' thing to define upcoming generations.

I coach at a rowing club, interestingly the last few years has seen strong resistance to both access to single sex spaces and participation in the sport itself by transwomen. We are talking about both young members (teens/early 20s) and older members. To compete in rowing requires a huge time commitment (think six days a week training) and margins of victory are often very small so the idea of a transwoman competing in women's sports is seen as very unfair. British Rowing have been a bit crap on this but the push back from members has been considerable.

No, ours is very much live and let live. Certainly wouldn’t “ridicule”
anyone on line.

Just read the post up from mine, yes maybe it is as more girls identifying.

I have two DSs 14 and 17 and they are at an all boys school, with a mixed sixth form.

it just doesn't seem to be a 'thing'. They don't know if any trans pupils. Not that they know of anyway.

They had visits from e.g Stonewall in the past and all asked to wear eg. rainbow coloured laces with a donation in the past, but that has about been the extent of it. As far as I know.

DS is 13 and very GC, he jokingly claims to identify as an attack helicopter, no idea where he got that from, probably Tik Tok. He goes to a very traditional boys’ Grammar school and as far as I know, there are no boys there identifying as girls. My niece attends the equivalent girls’ Grammar and lots of the girls are claiming to be transgender (although they still seem quite happy to take up a place in a girls’ school). My niece doesn’t buy into any of it and just ignores it all.

My dd’s best friend decided she was NB. The whole friend group found it exhausting, so while they were all bekind to start with, they got thoroughly fed up with it. The NB’ family never had any patience with it either, and she has quietly gone back to her name and she/her pronouns without any big fuss - thankfully!

bog standard

DD (14) has always quietly thought the whole pronouns and non binary thing was attention-seeking BS, and doesn’t believe TWAW. She is sporty and was peaked by TW competing in female sports some time ago. We have had many interesting conversations about it.

What’s interesting though is that her group of female friends are now being much more vocal about not buying the gender woo stuff - socially, at school etc. Thete seems to be a lot of anger particularly about TW saying they have periods and talking about it on TikTok - this hasn’t gone down well with these teenage girls .

They don’t talk about it online, though, as DD says people ‘come for you’ if you say anything against trans ideology, which is still pretty depressing.

DD also has a girl friend at school who was ‘trans’ for about a year, then changed to non-binary and has now finally come out as a big standard lesbian and sacked off the gender stuff. My DD is really pleased about it and said quietly to me ‘I always knew she was just a lesbian’ .