Anyone else hearing of backlash against trans ideology among their teens?

Cool name.......for a cat!

It's too late for the young person I know who's been taking testosterone for a while now. Deeper voice, presumably different hair growth (I've not seen them).

On a more serious note, one of my daughter's teacher training schools ( an all girls' school) had a lunch-time LGBT club. It was run by a young MTF gay man who the girls were expected to call 'Miss". According to my daughter there were a number of quite vulnerable girls attending this lunch-time club, and they were being encouraged to consider whether their distress might be due to them "really being trans".Behind their back, and to my daughter, this teacher referred to some of the girls as " little slags". Nice!

Yes. My 16 year old is a realist so has never gone along with it just keeps quiet. A girl she is mildly friends with I think is trans but is “bloody annoying” so they have drifted. Due to personality rather than anything else. My 14 year old is a fervent “be kind” but she’s not really thought about it and never really mentions it too distracted by friendships and vintage clothes buying!

I had a cat called Gizmo, Gizmo Smallpiece, but that's probably a coincidence. Probably

A friend I've avoided raising it with after a cool reception a few years back has woken up. Such a relief, because she'd always been very sensible...

God, yes, I hope so. But it's going to take a long time for any of our friends' and families' poor little bearded transmen to recover from this. How do you face having probably put a wrecking ball through your health and relationships at the age of 20?

When I left teaching in 2010 'trans' just wasn't a thing at all....now my daughter is teaching and it is everywhere; but she says many of the pupils have a bit of a "roll their eyes" attitude towards the whole pronouns business; and when she attempts to, quietly, challenge any of the nonsense she has seen being relayed by other staff, pupils apparently joke with her that " you are going to get yourself cancelled, Miss".

My husband's 16 year old niece says there are numerous trans and non binary individuals at her school, but that she finds it all very much about "attention seeking".

One 14 year old girl my daughter has heard of, in another school, came back to school after lockdown and declared she was now trans and wanted to be known by the name of 'Gizmo' 😆

Teen fashions come and go - and which self-respecting teenager wants to be in thrall to the current fashion amongst 20-somethings? So that makes sense. I notice in the Guardian today that the Goth fashion is coming back, so perhaps that will replace the trans fashion. Let's hope so.

I also think that, with the invention of a non-binary identity, trans ideology pushed things too far. A lot of people feel an instinctive sympathy towards the narrative that some men are born in a woman's body, or vice versa, but the idea that some people are "non-binary" is self-evidently silly.

My eldest (22) is totally down the gender ideology garden path. He’s autistic and spends a lot of time doing online RPG gaming and talking about anime. He’s not gender questioning himself but he’s immersed in the ideology and inflexible
in his thinking. That can be generalised beyond gender ideology. DS1 tends to grab the wrong end of the stick (or the wrong stick entirely) and refuse to let go. He’s exactly the sort of young adult voter the SNP want to groom (except he’s not pro-independence 🤣).

his younger brother and his friends (aged 13-14) are not impressed at all. They view all the trans stuff as something the blue haired anime people (their own description) are in to. The see it as a bit niche and ridiculous.

Or, where they discuss specific trans-identifying kids, they’re skeptical and clearly see it as attention seeking behaviour from kids with serious problems. Notably the conversation
I recently overheard was about how they couldn’t keep up with the kid’s many pronoun and name changes and how annoying it all was.

The 12/ 13 year olds at DS' mixed-sex arty and progressive school in the Netherlands very much take the mickey and find the whole thing ridiculous. Woke and Trans are bandied around as insults.
Non-binary pupils (all older) are seen as confused and/ or attention-seeking.
He's also active in several UK based online gaming groups and it's pretty much the same story.

Nothing to kill off a trend like the older generation being into it. And hallelujah to that.

I agree with this. Its not about ridiculing a person, its about ridiculing the nonsense and the position. There is nothing wrong with that, it happens in politics all the time, but suddenly with ridicule is applied to belief systems like ideology or religion it becomes inappropriate

Ridicule is a human response and system for checking and progressing inappropriate behaviour or nonsense.

It is definitely not trendy anymore amongst the teens

My DS (17) has been eye rolly for a good year or so about "the attention seeking"

I am actually at the point where I feel incredibly sorry for the people who have made transition moves - this will be a period of their life they cannot erase easily and people are shits for remembering things forever

What is sad is that there are a few 'trans' identifying kids in the local high school, and I'm told people just steer clear of them to avoid getting into any sort of bother. Everyone knows what happens if you speak up on these issues. They just stay well away, and say nothing.

My class were surveyed a few months ago about things they would like the government to do for their age group. Making medical transition easier was one of the options, and not one person in my class voted for that. Most chose basic first aid to be part of the curriculum.

I suspect it’s regional and nuanced. A NB or trans member of school staff can be hugely influential too (in my DD’s school it’s a NB counsellor).

The over representation of looked after kids on GIDS’ list far predates the ROGD generation (and Zucker has talked about it in regards to his Canadian patients too).

The ROGD girls do seem more likely to be from more affluent/middle class areas (but parents are just as likely to be skeptical or terrified as they are cheerleaders, some schools make it near impossible for skeptical parents to object to name changes etc).

The school with the most transboys near me is a super selective girls grammar that has long had problems with eating disorders and self harm via cutting. There are so few students on roll who qualify for FSM that it’s topic of dark humour in the less affluent neighbouring communities.

’Gender Dysphoria’ in children and adolescents clearly isn’t one thing but rather a symptom of something else. Gender as an identity group (eg like goth) is something else again, with some kids overlapping between the identity group and the serious symptom group.

Thankfully children aren’t going to be funnelled to an NHS gender service any more, but instead (fingers crossed) will see professionals who can offer differential diagnosis.
The fashion aspect should sort itself out in time, leaving the symptom aspect to be dealt with by properly qualified professionals working in multi disciplinary teams (to avoid the ‘one influential staff member’ issue).

Yep, my DS14 and DD12 have very little tolerance for it and often say they identify as a millionaire/ yacht owner etc.

DD in particular gets very riled about stereotypes 'oh if you're a girl who likes building, you must be trans - just stupid'.

Yes, lots of trans women on tiktok speaking out against the term cis women, chest feeding etc. Stating they themselves are not biologically female and wont have the same experience as women generally.

I really hope that it will become mainstream for teens to agree with biology and recognise trans ideology for the glitter polished lies that it is.

And I hope this can be done with humour and grace. I don't wish there to be any backlash against the teens who were persuaded by it - many of whom are vulnerable. Let's allow them a dignified exit.

Oh, gosh, aye, OP. Been like that among teens here for a while (rural Scotland).

Yes, DD (14) commented that TikTok is suddenly full of teen girls objecting - seems that Dylan and Jeffrey succeeded in peaking them with their period shenanigans!

My son is on the fence, torn between having a terf mum and “JK is a transphobe” among his friends.

my 15 year old niece thinks gender ideology is total nonsense.