Jeffrey Marsh

Some not all and there has been a lot that's been deleted

Ultimately some videos that they put out there have red flags in them many many red flags this might be deliberate manipulation or they might be just down to stupidity by the creator there are many people out there obsessed with their own self importance and think they are more than they actually are

its nor real life it is just tiktok which has become very toxic lately people forget its from age 13

What person offers ‘love’ and ‘unconditional love’ to people on the internet who are completely unknown to that person? Not just a throw away, ‘I love you all’ but with deep stares into the lens ‘I love you’, ‘you are seen’ etc ?

The type of person who wishes to manipulate highly vulnerable people. For many reasons- good and bad.

No.

Please answer the questions.

What other people being ‘demonised’ invited children to subscribe to a Patreon open to all ages where the influencer discusses sex and how to overcome sex that feels uncomfortable and problematic? What other people encourage children to be welcomed into the I individual’s glitter family? What other influencer effectively love bombs vulnerable people they are telling to go no-contact and saying that they, the influencer, unconditionally loves them and their family don’t?

This is not “endless ways to spin the same script”. Please post comparative influencers doing this.

If you, personally, would be comfortable and happy for your own children if they were in a vulnerable mental health state to watch the content of this individual says a great deal about where your own boundaries are.

@suggestionsplease1 would you still be defending his videos if he wasn’t trans? What would you think If a non trans man made videoscencourafing children to go no contact and join him on discord. Wasn’t one of the criticisms of mermaids the fact that they were encouraging children to join discord to talk “away from their parents”. Anyone can become a patreon and join discord. You don’t even need to use your real name on discord, I think the age to join discord is supposed to be 17, why would a 45 year old man want to talk to children he doesn’t know? What are his qualifications to deal with vulnerable children? How is his discord moderated? What controls are in place to prevent predators gaining access to vulnerable children? Maybe these are things to be considered before defending someone encouraging children to leave home? Where are these children supposed to go? To live with him?

Why? And how?

when social media relies on ‘links’ and ‘embeds’ that disappear when videos are made private. There are some ‘spliced’ into other videos. Why not go and watch all the videos made that ‘react’… well those that have not been forced to delete due to threat of banning by that social media platform.

I'm flabbergasted that there's anybody who thinks he isn't creepy.

I just do not believe, for one second, that if videos had been made, that someone somewhere in the whole of the internet, and with appetite that exists to demonise trans people, would not have such a recording and be gleefully distributing it now.

The thing is, you are (well, people are) selectively interpreting what they are seeing...you can call something dangerous lovebombing that another person would see as as building rapport and encouragement to increase the confidence and resilience of a person.

There are of course endless ways to spin the same script and we will all do it in accord of own bias.

I saw one video that requested parents come and look. But not most of the others that seem to have disappeared.

Not on the videos I have seen.

Or are you another one who has not seen the videos that have been referenced? Because we had a huge detail on the other thread from a poster very confidently claiming it was all just fake or debunked or lies without having seen the now deleted videos.

You really couldn’t make it up. Posters commenting on video content they have not even seen for themselves.

Does he not request parents to view his videos first before letting children see?

A lot of the critique seems to boil down to your common, garden variety, homophobia and transphobia...there is simply a lot of 'he gives me the creeps'. Well yeah, the LGBT community has been handling that sentiment for decades, centuries.

What other voices have been superimposed?

All that has been done is the introductions have been spliced together. What part do you think has been misrepresented in anyway?

And what other people being ‘demonised’ invited children to subscribe to a Patreon open to all ages where the influencer discusses sex and how to overcome sex that feels uncomfortable and problematic? What other people encourage children to be welcomed into the I individual’s glitter family? What other influencer effectively love bombs vulnerable people they are telling to go no-contact and saying that they, the influencer, unconditionally loves them and their family don’t?

Please be specific who else you know as an influencer is being ‘demonised’ for these things? Because I will go and check them out.

Otherwise, it is an empty comparator designed to try to dismiss and minimise what this individual has been doing. And who benefits from lying about how this person is behaving!

Who exactly benefits from normalising this behaviour?

Omg ! He says that??? No fucking way.

Ugh. 🤮

God forbid we should be judged by the things we say and the things we do

”If he was targeting children he would have used different language.”

Looking forward to seeing what other language they would use to target children that doesn’t start with ‘hi kids’, ‘hi children’ and ‘hi love’. And doesn’t involve things like ‘parents screw up’, ‘you deserve unconditional love’ with the offer of just that, and ‘you can go no contact’. And a huge assortment of other child friendly language. What age do you think children would have to be to not fully understand and take this on board?

Using ‘different’ language is an unfounded distraction.

Oh, are you a licensed life coach, too, suggestionsplease1?

O it's very clear a hatchet job has been performed by detractors.

I doubt there is a single person alive who could not be similarly demonised by someone trawling their lives and splicing footage, creating a suitable soundtrack, superimposing other voices, etc etc.

Most averagely intelligent people can see through this, of course.

Going no contact can, of course, be sound advice:

psychcentral.com/health/does-going-no-contact-with-a-parent-heal-you-the-answer-isnt-what-you-think

Different language than 'I want to speak to the children', 'this is a message for the children', and 'Hi kids'?

Targeting children? How?

If they are living at home then they're not exactly in a position to go no contact, are they?

This is not advice that is given to members of the same household is it? It makes no sense in such a context. Think of all the times the advice to go 'no contact' is given - it is not given to people who live together.

It is only a statement that makes sense for people who are not sharing the same roof. These are not generally children, and if that is the case that the children are not with the parents, what are the circumstances that mean they are not living with their parents?

If he was targeting children he would have used different language.

I’ve been following the bullying of Shumirun Nessa, and the number of people rewriting history of Jeff’s deleted videos is shocking.

I saw many of those videos, and if I say that I’m called a liar, with added, predictable, TRA insults.

I can’t believe anyone is defending him so viciously, he is a predator in plain sight, enabled by every single person brainwashed into the gender c*lt.

This is a message board targetted at adults. His messages are targeted at 'lgbt youth'

Are they telling that to under 18s?

Well, it's a 'certificate' that you get. I expect that's what he means.

@ArabellaScott

Interesting. If it's not a regulated profession, what does "licensed" mean in that context?

The rabbit hole gets deeper...

This must make a helluva lot of mumsnetters groomers...there are countless threads on here with posters advising OPs to go no contact with family members.