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Males over 12 now allowed to play in Ladies Gaelic Football

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Cailleach1 · 18/02/2023 21:27

Just that. Males who claim to be women or girls can now play against girls and women on the pitch. Women and girls already get a much smaller share of state funding towards female sports. And, now this bullsht. No details of how they plucked this out of their collective ases arrived at this policy. Having female only sport meant that women and girls were included in sport.

The GAA support the Irish language, but surely any other language can now 'identify' as Irish. The Irish flag must be flown, but again surely they should be 'inclusive' and let any other flag identify as the Irish flag.

We unfortunately have a Taoiseach (PM) who supports this destruction of female sports. When the IRFU stated they would prioritise safety and fairness for women, he asked them to reconsider those aims, and talk to the men who wanted to play in women's sports. In short, just walk all over women in Ireland.

The red herring testosterone level is there, as if it turned men into women.
I confirm that [insert name of Applicant] has:
Transitioned/or is transitioning (as appropriate) from male to female and intends on living their life as a female, and
During the previous 12 months, has a total testosterone level in serum equal to or less than 10 nanomoles per litre (nmol/L).

This is bullish*t. Probably 20 times than most women. 10nmol/L is in the normal range for men. There are probably males on the Irish rugby team with that level. Irrespective; strange times if they're pretending that this level, or any level or lack of testosterone made a female out of a male.

ladiesgaelic.ie/the-lgfa/about-us/governance/

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UtopiaPlanitia · 22/02/2023 02:24

A podcast about GAA sports has released an episode about the LGFA policy change:

[Interview with] Danielle Loughrey who plays football for Buncranna GAA and is also the PRO for the Donegal County Board and Sorcha, who is the Sports working team lead from the Countess advocacy group for women and children, about the new LGFA policy for transgender women in the woman's game.
anchor.fm/colm-parkinson/episodes/New-LGFA-transgender-policy-e1vanvv

UtopiaPlanitia · 22/02/2023 00:01

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Abhannmor · 21/02/2023 23:00

Camogie doesn't bear thinking about. Some great oaf clattering you with a bloody hurley !

I must ask the local gaa heads wtf is going on here.

LurkyMcLurkLurk · 21/02/2023 13:52

Aside from anything else there's a knowledge issue. Assuming most teams won't be inundated with transgender players, the majority of female players will never train with a transgender girl/woman before they face one as opposition. The risk of injury from a badly timed block will be much higher when a) a player is more likely to get their timing wrong as they won't be used to the extra speed and force a male bodied player can use, and b) the body following through on that kick is powered by male strength.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 21/02/2023 12:52

It’s really hard to imagine how any sane person can look at that photo and not see a middle aged man playing against a teenage girl. And how any sane person who gives a damn about women’s/girls’ sports can think that’s safe, fair, or morally acceptable.

And yet there are people insisting that this is a woman and successfully advocating for h— inclusion in this women’s/girls’ team. Taking a place away from an actual woman or girl. Posing a far greater risk of injury to h— opponents. Just being a massively unsporting cheat.

And what about the changing rooms? Are there any parents deluded enough to actually cheerlead for the prospect of this individual stripping off and showering alongside their teenage daughters? I mean, in any other circumstances, school would make a referral to social services if parents were encouraging that sort of thing. But oh look, schools and social services have been captured too, so it’s all ok!

They all apparently think this really is a woman like any other. Or do they? I wonder. I wonder what they really think in the privacy of their own minds.

Abhannmor · 21/02/2023 00:36

Flounder2022 · 20/02/2023 18:48

Your use of underage here is really disingenuous. This was not an underage match.

Talk about hairsplitting. It was a Junior level match as in not the A teams rather than underage. But the fact is we have a grown man tackling a 16 year old girl in that photo.

He has become passionate about Ladies Gaelic Football despite being an Italian who only arrived here recently. And whose former employment was in a London BDSM club called Torture Garden.

You can get down off your stilts now pal.

StephanieSuperpowers · 20/02/2023 20:08

Oh, how unexpected. @Flounder2022 has flounced before telling us what we're permitted to read.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 20/02/2023 20:05

We can all read what you posted.

And we can all see how you whine about women defending our sports against male invaders, but have no actual argument at all in support of those pisstakers.

Bye now.

Don’t let the door hit you on your male supremacist arse on the way out.

Flounder2022 · 20/02/2023 19:48

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 20/02/2023 19:28

It’s almost like Flounder isn’t here in good faith. And can’t defend his/her position, so resorts to unjustified attack.

Go figure.

I have no need or desire to defend my position to anyone on here. I attacked no one, I merely made a couple of points. I wish you well in your echo chamber.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 20/02/2023 19:28

takeawaydinner · 20/02/2023 19:23

I didn't say it was. My post clearly states that I was referring to the photo, not the entire team. The girl in the photo playing against a biological male was underage.

I also said girl not girls, which would have implied an underage match.
But good effort at trying to distract away from what actually happened.

It’s almost like Flounder isn’t here in good faith. And can’t defend his/her position, so resorts to unjustified attack.

Go figure.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 20/02/2023 19:25

VaddaABeetch · 20/02/2023 19:21

So @Flounder2022 if you don’t want a discussion why are you here? To tell the wimmins off? To show us your superior intellect?

I did think Flounder would at least have a go with the traditional clownfish argument, given his/her username; but was sadly disappointed.

I guess I just need to scale down my expectations. Maybe another plaice would serve the porpoise better.

takeawaydinner · 20/02/2023 19:23

Flounder2022 · 20/02/2023 18:48

Your use of underage here is really disingenuous. This was not an underage match.

I didn't say it was. My post clearly states that I was referring to the photo, not the entire team. The girl in the photo playing against a biological male was underage.

I also said girl not girls, which would have implied an underage match.
But good effort at trying to distract away from what actually happened.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 20/02/2023 19:22

Flounder2022 · 20/02/2023 19:16

Lol all you want. But at least be truthful when you make your arguments. You believe in it, therefore no need to make false statements, surely.

I will turn down your kind offer thank you. I have long since come to the realisation there are few on here who are interested in actual discussion or open to considering alternative viewpoints on this.

Bottled it, in other words - because you know you don’t have an argument, just your vile, misogynistic, male supremacist-based sophistry and lies.

And you have the brass neck to call others disingenuous, you, a promoter of the most dishonest, unreasoned codswallop ever seen in the modern western world.

Shameless.

VaddaABeetch · 20/02/2023 19:21

So @Flounder2022 if you don’t want a discussion why are you here? To tell the wimmins off? To show us your superior intellect?

Flounder2022 · 20/02/2023 19:16

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 20/02/2023 19:10

Lol at “disingenuous”.

Go on then, Flounder, make the case for biologically male people competing in sports that were set aside for biologically female people on the basis that female bodies are very different from male bodies.

Let’s hear what you’ve got. And no disingenuousness from you, while you’re about it!

Lol all you want. But at least be truthful when you make your arguments. You believe in it, therefore no need to make false statements, surely.

I will turn down your kind offer thank you. I have long since come to the realisation there are few on here who are interested in actual discussion or open to considering alternative viewpoints on this.

StephanieSuperpowers · 20/02/2023 19:14

But using Gript as a source is akin to quoting Breibart.

  1. Is what to they're saying incorrect?
  2. What source is acceptable?
  3. Do you have a link to an acceptable source reporting on this story?
RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 20/02/2023 19:10

Flounder2022 · 20/02/2023 18:48

Your use of underage here is really disingenuous. This was not an underage match.

Lol at “disingenuous”.

Go on then, Flounder, make the case for biologically male people competing in sports that were set aside for biologically female people on the basis that female bodies are very different from male bodies.

Let’s hear what you’ve got. And no disingenuousness from you, while you’re about it!

Flounder2022 · 20/02/2023 19:01

Genesis1v27 · 20/02/2023 17:07

The Countess group have issued a statement and a short template letter to send the LGFA:

thecountess.ie/the-lgfa-have-betrayed-women-and-girls-in-sport/

A BBC Radio Ulster reporter is in contact with them on Twitter:

twitter.com/TheCountessIE/status/1627416638508134401

Additional reporting on the anger of players, referees and parents:

gript.ie/players-referees-and-parents-furious-at-lgfa-decision-to-include-biological-males-in-ladies-football/

I know many of you don’t care who you lay in bed with once they agree with you on this issue, and so pointing this out is probably pointless. But using Gript as a source is akin to quoting Breibart.

Flounder2022 · 20/02/2023 18:48

thepiratequeen · 20/02/2023 17:40

The photo last year of the biological male who identifies as a woman, playing gaelic football against an underage girl should have been a wake up moment.
Instead, it was reported very sympathetically towards the Transwoman and that those who spoke out were spreading misinformation.
www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2022/09/08/trans-gaelic-footballer-giulia-valentino-id-like-to-leave-a-legacy-of-inclusion/

Your use of underage here is really disingenuous. This was not an underage match.

Wanderingowl · 20/02/2023 18:31

UtopiaPlanitia · 20/02/2023 15:32

Cailleach1 RTÉ reported, briefly, on their Twitter feed about Sturgeon and controversy over the male rapist in a women’s prison in Scotland. I have no memory of them getting involved in reporting the male sex offenders being housed in Limerick women’s prison. A couple of TDs mentioned the similarities between Scotland & Ireland, and were given an anodyne and unhelpful response from the Govt.

It’s baffling to me how people (sporting bodies, politicians, and journalists in this case) can stop themselves from thinking things through to logical conclusions on the issues surrounding sex-based women’s rights. The cognitive dissonance would explode my head 🤷‍♀️

Paddy O Gorman who is an occasional RTE contributer covers the Limerick Prison situation on his podcast. With interviews with women who were in jail with the TW. He's had a couple of episodes on it. He's obviously been deemed a hateful bigot for this but is standing firm on covering it.

littlbrowndog · 20/02/2023 18:24

It’s contempt for women and girls

same as in Scotland

inclusive. Is it fuck.

it’s exclusive

SinnerBoy · 20/02/2023 18:09

StephanieSuperpowers · Today 18:02

It is shocking. I don't understand why safety and fairness are being so casually disregarded.

It truly is, isn't it? All in the name of being kind and progressive, to the detriment of the majority of people (girls and women) who are involved in sports. I'm gladdened by what seems to be an increasing number of people being prepared to say, "Now hang on a minute, this doesn't seem right..."

StephanieSuperpowers · 20/02/2023 18:05

It's right across the western world, really, we're all in the same conflict. The only thing that changes is the specific local circumstances.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 20/02/2023 18:03

Cailleach1 · 18/02/2023 21:37

It is just so depressing, isn't it? It is so contemptuous of females, female achievement and female sport.

It really is - and I think what you say about the contempt it demonstrates is true not just of this particular issue but of the whole so called “trans rights”/gender identity ideology movement in general.

It is all rooted in profound contempt, on a societal level, for female people.

I was never fully aware of that until this movement started chipping away at the rights we had only just acquired; like many, I thought attitudes had really changed, and women’s place and equal footing in the world was now just a matter of inevitable continued forward movement.

How wrong I was. There’s certainly nothing like this movement for bringing about 21st century consciousness raising, as we see over and over again the clear contempt, the shocking lack of value in which we’re held. And the extent to which internalised misogyny holds sway, even in women who self describe as feminists.

Sorry, bit of a tangent. I’m sorry that all of you who love the sport are having to deal with this, as with every other manifestation of this modern day misogyny on stilts. But we will wake up the world eventually. Solidarity from across the water!

StephanieSuperpowers · 20/02/2023 18:02

It is shocking. I don't understand why safety and fairness are being so casually disregarded. As a sport, it won't exist without female players but they're just taken for granted.

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