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it's about broadening and idea of what a woman is and what she is capable of beyond just her reproductive system

1. Feminists have been doing this for years. Breaking down the glass ceilings. Busting sex/gender stereotyping.

2.transgender women are broadening the idea of what a man is. And what they're capable of wearing.

How do you have pregnancy, periods, PCOS, FGM, endometriosis etc without a vagina/vulva? Not sure how it works without the genitalia being involved. A requirement, even.

Transwoman have pushed forward the gender neutral fight by decades which can only be seen as a win.

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go on. Tell us how TW have enhanced the fight for women’s rights? What about the sex inequality women face in health care? What have TW done about that? What about the fact women still face discrimination in employment? What about the daft 1in 4 women experience domestic violence ? What have TW done about that?

The thought processes of some on this thread are completely centring male needs.

I fail to understand how that in any way benefits women.

it's about broadening and idea of what a woman is and what she is capable of beyond just her reproductive system

If you include men in 'the idea of what a woman is' you are not broadening the idea, you are losing it.

Transwoman have pushed forward the gender neutral fight by decades which can only be seen as a win.

How? It's all based on sexist stereotypes.

Do you not think there will be repercussions to saying someone writing about the death of their friend is not worthy of having that space? Or do the feelings of that person not matter?

Not as a Strong Women UK. There are also mens magazines or general for both sexes magazines or in this magazine but then not as a strong women. That is the only objection we have. Strong Women is meant to provide role models for women, so centering a male person sends completely the wrong message

It's probably down to a provocative shade of lipstick.

Equality isn't just about legal protection, which is why feminists are still arguing for female equality.

So are women discriminated against or suffer sexual abuse based on their feminine thoughts?

Or the fact they're biologically female.

"Home Office report links rise in police-recorded transgender hate crimes to ‘discussions on social media’"

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Good job women don't report all the abuse they receive on line to the police. And NO, just to clarify, I do not think on line abuse directed at anyone is acceptable but the bar for what constitutes transphobic is very low, saying you are a lesbian who only dates born women is transphobic, we used to call that sort of coercion corrective rape but it's progressive now.

The article states hate crime is on the rise overall, so not just for trans people.
Half the hate crimes (for all characteristics so also religion, age and race) is words and actions, so let's say half the rise of hate crime against trans people is words and actions. Does that include misgendering, demanding a male person leaves the womens facilities, saying a male person can't join a womens service?

40% is violence based overall (so for all characteristics). Lets say it is also the case for trans people. Who does the violence against them? Women or men? If men, then stop blaming women for violence done by men against male transwomen. Women demanding the right to boundaries are not responsible for actions done by men.

I understand what you are saying but I also think we society needs to stop ignoring, belittling, diminishing and keeping down those who find themselves stuck in a limbo, not feeling like they identity as male and experiencing serious mental health consequences being forced into that box. And there will be serious repercussions if we continue to pill onto people living through that. Do you not think there will be repercussions to saying someone writing about the death of their friend is not worthy of having that space? Or do the feelings of that person not matter?

Transpeople bring to the front issues XX have experienced for years. I only took 4 months maternity leave, I don't take time off for XX issues and I certainly don't let people identifying as male intimidate me. Yet I still face issues like if I was to apply for a job it wouldn't be unusual for a company to find a reason not to hire me as I might take further maternity leave (not going to happen) or need flexible working for childcare (only 2 years and he can sort himself out). To me this is a bigger issue than a bloke in a changing room or toilet.

With gender identity becoming fluid it will become harder and harder to discriminate based on gender as a characteristic. It will also cut costs for business and allow XX who don't want to be tied down by the "woman" banner to flourish.

Transwoman have pushed forward the gender neutral fight by decades which can only be seen as a win.

What actual tangible equalities do they not have that other people of their sex have?

how does (a) reinforcing how important our uterus, and therefore our child bearing capacity is to our identity and (b) treating other people who identity as women as unequal and deluded - remotely help balance the scales?

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We have no duty to consider the feelings of men in our ongoing fight for equality. There are too many biological women all over the world still suffering oppression to be concerned with including men.

Nobody is arguing women are 'just' their reproductive systems. Most of us are arguing that society needs to stop ignoring, belittling, diminishing and keeping us down for our reproductive systems. Society needs to protect, support and provide for us based on our reproductive systems.

Ignoring the differences between men and women, or saying women have nothing in common at all, not even biology, means society can't do the last part, the part women and girls need to happen to be able to fully participate in society.

What you are saying is the second part is not necessary and society should just ignore the differences in reproductive systems because some people with male reproductive systems want it to happen. Can't you see that this will have serious repercussions for female people as everything will then default back to what works for male people?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/hate-crime-transgender-uk-figures-b2196759.html

But the ways real women are oppressed and the unique experiences we have are due to our biology.

A man who feels like a woman will never, ever experience life in the way women will.

Ever

But its just doubling down on woman = uterus. If we do all agree that womanhood is not defined by reproductive system then why does someone who would prefer to appeal female cause such alarm to us? And if the ultimate goal is gender equality then why again do we condemn people based on the way they'd like to present themselves?

I understand the point repeatedly made that you don't think you can be a woman without having female genitalia - fine, if that is where you draw the line of womanhood you are entitled to that but what you are not entitled to is defining how others decide to draw a similar line, or condemn people if they feel more comfortable identifying as a female over a male. It poses much more of a risk to them than it goes to you - someone in these threads asked me to "prove" that transgender people in the UK are subject to violence. Transphonic hate crimes have doubled since 2019, and much of that research draws into online discourse fueling it, aka forums like this where people think they are defending feminism but for some reason are unable to do this without condemning another group (i.e doing the same thing that has historically been done to us). A teenager was recently murdered for being transgender - does no one see why this stuff matters? How much does it truly matter to you that someone is writing about their grief in a magazine?

Pardon? Transpeople have the same protection as everyone else's under the provisions of the EA 2010. In addition they have the special privilege of being able to obtain a falsified birth certificate which suits their internal sense of self better.

Would it be discriminatory of me to say a 30 year old should not be entitled to claim state pension even if they say their authentic self feels 70? If you think this is ridiculous, I would agree, then you have not been paying attention. Transage is coming down the line, how do you propose we deny such a demand now we have set a precedent for disregarding reality in favour of feelings?

Women are not just their reproductive systems
Given that I can't see anyone on this thread who has disagreed with this point, I'm not sure why you keep repeating it. But your reproductive class is what defines your sex. In many situations this does not matter, however there are a small number where it matters a great deal, and pretending it does not us not only pointless but can be harmful to women and girls.

Yes, we are all unique. But what makes us women is our biology. Charlie is male. No amount of cross sex hormones or surgery can change that.

I don't understand how anyone supposedly arguing for equality can then be perpetuating inequality against trans people?
Nobody is arguing for inequality for trans people.
What rights do trans people not have, btw? You can answer that after you have answered Francesca's question about "the complexity, behaviours, feelings of womanhood."