Trans and losing my mind...

Because if they don't naicely suck up feeling like this, and service provide themselves as a kind of theme park ride experience for men, then Men Feel Sad.

Which causes the kind of headless chicken, batshit panic as it was rumoured used to happen when someone shouted 'women and children first' in a room full of the Edwardian Middle Class.

Focusing on the original post, the demand request is women accept this person in toilets etc, but also work hard with them to make certain to exclude any other person who share same belief.

I am flummoxed and amazed... not.

It reminds me of an old song:

Isn't it just! They don't realise we have heard all of this many many many times before. If not the same words on the same topic, the tone deafness, the inability to comprehend, the full of themselvesness... It's all too familiar.

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Depends on if it's an original or one of the rewritten versions 😉
Just been catching up on this thread and I'd like to thank the posters for some of the most clearly articulated explanations of why we say NO to males in female spaces I've read for a while.
And @TinselAngel I've followed the Widows thread for a long time and reading your experiences made it clear to me, that whatever sympathy I might have once had for gender non-conforming men, the knowledge of the repercussions for the women involved means I stand with my sisters.
Thank you for your continued bravery.

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Ladies you are too funny. Nothing proves they are men more than their complete inability to listen to women.
self-absorbed tw*t's.

It's like reading enid blyton. Once you've read one you've read them all.

if the other MTF popped back to gloat about using women's spaces a bit more

Haha of course that happened. So predictable you could set your watch by it.

Oh this was an unusual one @Ereshkigalangcleg, the OP listened carefully to women's arguments, concluded they would stop using women's spaces and undertook to persuade other men to be more accepting of their gender non conforming brothers.

ONLY JOKING!

The OP said we were big meanies and flounced

Not quite finished, have seen the OP flounce but not read all the way to the end yet to see if the other MTF popped back to gloat about using women's spaces a bit more, or if there was more pandering.

I have been the victim of coercive control and abuse and I can see the parallels between that and my abuser very clearly. Told I am abusive because I don’t agree, tone policed, accused of micro aggressions until I was policing my every word myself, and became too scared to open my mouth. Well it didn’t work then and it’s not working here.

This. It's not an uncommon experience on FWR.

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Oh this was an unusual one @Ereshkigalangcleg, the OP listened carefully to women's arguments, concluded they would stop using women's spaces and undertook to persuade other men to be more accepting of their gender non conforming brothers.

ONLY JOKING!

The OP said we were big meanies and flounced

Kaveney says it all when talking about 'humiliation '. Its not about saftey - if kaveney can enter womens spaces, so can any man. A man wanting to hurt Kaveney can follow him into a quiet toilet.

The bottom line is its humiliating when kaveney is reminded that hes male. He knows that its far more likely that he will go unchallenged in the mens spaces than told to leave. In that moment he knows hes a man and knows everyone around him knows it to.

Settling in to read this very long thread, that I missed. I've only read the OP. I can imagine how it might turn out, judging by the length. But let's see!

Oxford educated poet Roz? Shares women's oppression fucking how?

Bad hair days do not fucking count.

Sorry for swears. On the rag. It does bring out the biological fucking essentialist in me.

What a liar.

Always manages to put h’’self first once getting in with women.

If 'people exist in several dimensions' I'd like to exist in one where they sleep for nine hours every night and ice cream is free.

@nilsmousehammer

I've just read your post from the 22/2/23 at 18.15.
I totally agree with every word you say. The best account I have seen of this situation. 👏

twitter.com/RozKaveney/status/1628907461049479168

You've done plenty for all women? Well that's one ragingly narcissistic way of looking at over 40 years of making women uncomfortable and fearful in their own spaces, Roz...

Before I left Twitter about 5 (?) years ago, I told a TRA bro, who was gently explaining to me the needs of men in frocks..
"NO; instead get off your lazy arse and work to make men's bathrooms a safe and inclusive place."
He was dead shocked and really I'm just a mean Lesbian after all, putting women first

We are supposed to acquiesce when a male says they fear male violence in the male toilets. Whilst ignoring that staggering numbers of women have already experienced male sexual violence sometimes multiple times.

yes.

And I am all for being blunt and being mean and telling males repeatedly that they need to stop using women as either support resources or shields to allow those women to access the spaces they need.

Absolutely.

Have you ever heard anyone say to a trans person 'reframe your trauma'?

Of course not.

We only say that to the subhumans when they aren't serving properly.

11. Whatever women suffer from, it is worse when it happens to men

Really struck me. We are supposed to acquiesce when a male says they fear male violence in the male toilets. Whilst ignoring that staggering numbers of women have already experienced male sexual violence sometimes multiple times.

The message is that ‘Their fear is more serious than our fear’