On the Front Page of the Weekend Australian today

It's largely because the points cannot be refuted. All you can do is try to make women feel that it's shameful of them to talk about it, or wrong of them to talk about it, by playing on the whole 'only weird people would say that' and fear of exclusion thing, or play somewhat desperately on their female socialisation to mummy others and get them to shut up in the belief that saying truths and talking about harm to women hurts men and children, and therefore they have a vagina based duty to act as a human shield for others. And suffer quietly, because that gives the men a get out clause to crack on doing what they like without taking any responsibility.

Usually with a kicker of 'you are disgusting to be so concerned about other people's sex lives'. I think I have come across that two or three times in the past two weeks on MN

Part of me wonders if some of the reason that so much surrounding gender ideology and lgbt acceptance/training is so sexually explicit, is so when anyone comes at it talking about future sex lives , fertility, development of sex organs/reproductive system , we then look like the perverts and it creates the diversions needed to push on through .

I don't know Arabella. Because every time we ask any activist poster what is the number of children and teenagers they see has being acceptable collateral there is no answer. We would all still be sitting waiting in our chairs together if we hadn't abandoned our posts.

Crickets. Tumbleweed.

Usually with a kicker of 'you are disgusting to be so concerned about other people's sex lives'. I think I have come across that two or three times in the past two weeks on MN.

I wonder what number of sterilised patients they think is acceptable collateral.

I know it is a small study numbers wise, but that 9% keeps showing up in reviews from around the world in regard to 'detransition' after treatment numbers.

I have so far seen in in the European study that followed up after 10 years - 8.3% for females and 8.8% for males from well before the massive increase in female detransitioners. There was that South West England GP review that identified 9 -10% detransitioners.

And now this one. Not one of these reviews was to identify detransition rates, and yet, the numbers have been consistent. Uncomfortably consistent for many activists I suspect.

Dr Clara Soo, president of AusPATH

insightplus.mja.com.au/2021/6/one-doctors-journey-to-welcome-her-gender-home/

'I knew that I was a girl when I was about 3–4 years old. I definitely knew that I was not one of the boys – I didn’t like rough physical games and from a very young age, the boys all treated me as if I was different to them. I can remember when I was 7 years old and in Year 1 at primary school being told to walk like a boy. I was bewildered because I didn’t know that I wasn’t walking like a boy and I didn’t know how I was supposed to change my walk.'

...

'One of my patients had talked to me about the impostor syndrome and for a long time after I started my transition, I felt that way: that my female appearance was a performance I put on every day. I frequently asked myself if I was just fooling society and myself.'

'...they appeared to have politicised healthcare, which directly threatens the welfare of children'

'...at the end of this court case I felt it was a form of child abuse'

Every time I read these articles I both feel huge relief that light is being shone on the subject and pain for all those who've been let down and in some cases coerced onto an unevidenced and potentially damaging course of treatment.

andbused = and used

Is the RCH still the sole beneficiary of the massive Good Friday Appeal telethon? It was a bit like Red Nose Day here andbused to raise millions every year.

If so, I hope that people stop supporting it.

These same doubts and information releases keep coming up, don't they? Country after country, time after time, and it only ever inches in one direction.

And yet somehow, despite that it's a slow growing cloud over the safety and wellbeing of a hell of a lot of children, it's still like wading through treacle in any proper research and studies happening or any action being taken to protect children while all this is figured out.

Which strongly smacks of political capture over child safeguarding and normal practice. Which has been plainly being discussed for... well. Going on for a decade now without anything much changing.

Hopefully Australia is beginning to wake up to this nightmare that has been damaging children and stomping on women’s rights/safety/lives.

It can’t come soon enough.

When trying to get treatment/therapy for a 7 year old with ASD, some of the first questions are ‘what is their gender’ and ‘what pronouns are preferred’ - ffs, the child is 7!

I thought this was interesting from the study.

Of note, despite their use in practice, no drugs have been approved by Australia’s Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) or subsidised by the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) for the treatment of gender dysphoria. All such prescriptions are therefore “off-label”.

I am desperate for the conversation to happen here in Australia. Anyone who dares disagree with the mainstream view is utterly vilified. And often devastatingly publicly.
I am so glad the science is proving that this awful experiment on vulnerable children is a disaster.

The CHW doctors have raised concerns that “many unknowns remain” regarding the long-term effects of puberty blockers, which are described by the Royal Children's Hospital Melbourne as “reversible in their effects”. International evidence is in fact casting greater doubt on whether the effects of these medications are reversible. Endocrine reviews of the CHW patient cohort documented side-effects in 23 of the 49 young people prescribed puberty blockers, including low bone density, hot flushes, weight gain and anxiety. The CHW doctors raised concerns about long-term effects on patients’ sexual function in adulthood.

Fuck.

Royal Children's Hospital Melbourne as “reversible in their effects”.

There has seemed a stark difference between the Victorian clinics and the NSW clinics.

I agree that Michelle Tefler is ideologistic. So too seems Dr Ada Cheung. I wonder if that has a lot to do with it.

Thanks for this OP and all the links.

Michelle Telfer should be in jail. An ideologue who did permanent life-changing experiments on vulnerable children with absolutely no evidence base at all.

Good to see that this awful medical experimentation on children is finally being called out world wide.

I am so pleased that the ideology is crumbling in the face of the evidence.

The Royal Children’s Hospital and Associate Professor Telfer, director of the RCH Gender Service, declined to respond to questions surrounding the standards of care, the evidence base underpinning the gender-affirmative model, risk of regret among patients and potential harms of drug treatments.

AusPATH president Clara Tuck Meng Soo did not respond to a request for comment.

Shocking, but not surprising.

Here's an archived copy of the news report: archive.ph/DMT87

There may be a later study? Just checked the dates on the one I shared and it’s from 2021, though the number of children (79) is the same.

No, it’s this study:

https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9067/10/2/314