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I can no longer tell if this is satire!

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Louise57 · 18/02/2023 02:02

www.theonion.com/it-is-journalism-s-sacred-duty-to-endanger-the-lives-of-1850126997

In this world today its impossible to tell what is satire and what isn't.

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OhcantthInkofaname · 25/02/2023 01:39

I simply think its a wake up that maybe the NYT wasn't so wrong in it's editorial. Isn't it wrong to allow a 14 year old to make these decisions when they aren't allowed to drink, drive, or get other medical care without a parents permission. 25 year old females are denied tubal ligation by doctors telling them they may change their minds but a 12 year old can have their body flooded with hormone blockers?

nepeta · 24/02/2023 16:31

It's hard to do satire about this as the whole thing sounds exactly like the things TRAs tweet about JK Rowling already, i.e., they argue that she is for the annihilation of transgender people, that she is the avatar of the devil etc., and they put things in her mouth just as is done in this supposed humour piece.

Genesis1v27 · 23/02/2023 19:59

Also, Joan Smith comments at UnHerd: The Onion’s J.K. Rowling ‘interview’ isn’t satire.

Genesis1v27 · 23/02/2023 19:50

The Onion has been fairly lame for many years, but that "interview" is just pathetic. The Babylon Bee can be pretty funny though - Here's Everything Transphobic In Hogwarts Legacy.

Delphinium20 · 23/02/2023 19:25

Satire is an art form. When done well, you can laugh at your own or your tribe's expense and it brings us all closer as we see shared flaws in all humanity. The Black Sheep headline is a perfect example.

I also think of Dave Chapelle who jokes about how maybe he should be in charge of the women's movement-that was funny and while it poked fun at elitist celebrity feminists, it was a social commentary that recognized how lower income women suffer in silence because they have little power and no platform for their #metoo.

This Onion piece is depressing because it so missed the mark AND it shows the writers' hubris, who think they've made clever social commentary.

dimorphism · 23/02/2023 19:10

The wokebros have been absolutely delighted to find out that they can be all self righteous while shitting on and threatening violence to women (the XX kind).

We see you.

EndlessTea · 23/02/2023 19:05

i know it’s spiteful bullshit, but again, I can’t help feeling sad at the demise of The Onion. How unfunny. Sometimes I find people funny even when they are being a-holes, in spite of myself, but there’s a total lack of wit. So depressing.

NotTerfNorCis · 23/02/2023 18:46

Even TRAs can't give examples of JK's supposed hatefulness, even while they're cheering The Onion on.

Q: Wait, I'm genuinely asking, gas JK ever expressed that she doesn't believe transgender people should exist?

A: She's constantly promoting people who've said that out loud or made public declarations to that effect. She is part of the same culty political movement. I am confident she wants to make a world without trans people but don't think she'll say it out loud

twitter.com/KatyMontgomerie/status/1628686995743465474?t=1m18vhDGSWicD61iIUq2-w&s=19

OrangeToothbrush · 23/02/2023 17:17

I find it really disturbing. Hateful, even, which is pretty ironic. Certainly not satire.

I don't think it is a coincidence they have designed it gallery style, so each section can be easily screenshot and shared?

And what's this all in aid of? To distract from JKR's actual words, once again. Funny, that.

nepeta · 23/02/2023 17:04

Agree that the interview was not funny. It's exactly like trans activists represent JK Rowling's opinions on Twitter. So the exaggeration needed for sarcasm is missing.

What is disappointing is realising that the staff at the Onion have done no thinking about these issues at all, but simply present the tribally correct surface views as the only possible correct ones. I held them to a some esteem before.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 23/02/2023 15:59

Crikey. That was awful

this was one of the 23 not funny questions

Why are you such a huge fucking hateful dork?

NotTerfNorCis · 23/02/2023 15:08

I mean, it would only be funny if people know it's exaggerated and are in on the joke... but this is what a lot of progressives actually believe.

NotTerfNorCis · 23/02/2023 15:00

Came here to talk about this latest Onion article on JKR. I don't get what the satire is supposed to be? Why is it funny? They're just repeating what extremists say about her, and what more and more people think is true because they hear it online. It would only be funny if they were satirising the extremists, but I don't think they are... so I don't get the joke.

Sazzasez · 23/02/2023 14:35

It reads like India Willoughby scripted it using glove puppets.

hryllilegur · 23/02/2023 14:28

This bit is particularly dire:

Yes, I remember like it was yesterday: you see, I was advocating for their total annihilation and then a few of them said some mean words to me on the internet.

The woman gets actual death threats.

It’s really badly judged ‘satire’ aimed squarely at people who don’t actually know what JK Rowling has even said or written.

OrangeToothbrush · 23/02/2023 11:41

Oh, it gets worse:

www.theonion.com/the-onion-s-exclusive-interview-with-j-k-rowling-1850141221/slides/20

FigRollsAlly · 19/02/2023 01:30

What a dishonest piece of writing that is.

nauticant · 18/02/2023 22:58

Think about the truly great satirists. Start with the Greeks and the Romans, journey through Chaucer, Butler, Swift, and Voltaire, then arrive in the contemporary period.

Ask yourself: how many of those did their best work by appealing to the masses and feeling safe that they're saying what all the nice and unquestioning people are most comfortable with?

Baaaaaa · 18/02/2023 22:30

Cringeworthy

Tinysoxxx · 18/02/2023 14:46

Sorry I should have said ‘disputed author’ rather than anonymous.

Tinysoxxx · 18/02/2023 14:43

‘His transition was supported by one of his unmarried teachers, who is not a virgin’
‘What if doctors are climbing through windows to suture penises to sleeping cheerleaders?

This piece would never have been written by a woman as several sentences, such as above, just come across so strongly as a misogynistic man/men. Even if it’s really trying to be satire.

I watched a good crime series recently and to investigate a case they did literary forensics on a nasty anonymous article. I was immediately reminded of this when I thought how vitriolic and unfunny piece was. On the show it was all about the use of an Oxford comma. This piece is far less subtle.

hryllilegur · 18/02/2023 13:54

The problem is that virtue signalling and reality denying actually don’t combine well with satire.

The purpose of satire is to expose the ridiculousness of that stuff (just as it exposes the hubris of government and such like).

So when you try to do them as satire, you get a bloody mess that tries to occlude rather than expose.

The ‘left’ should be willing to laugh at itself as much as it’s willing to laugh at the (highly moralised) positions it wants to promote.

lechiffre55 · 18/02/2023 13:43

@EndlessTea
They cancelled comedy. A real shame, laughter is good for the soul.

EndlessTea · 18/02/2023 13:39

lechiffre55 · 18/02/2023 13:27

I used to love The Onion. When comedy got cancelled it just became drab self flagellation religion.
This is my favourite ever Onion article from the good olde days, still makes me laugh now.

www.theonion.com/fuck-everything-were-doing-five-blades-1819584036

Read that have a laugh and then compare it to the article in the OP :(

That was funny. I used to love the silly headlines too “scientist dies in think tank”, “sculptor accused of turning women into objects”, “family where all members claim to be the black sheep”…

You got the feeling that they were wetting themselves laughing while they were writing it. I used to literally lol reading it, embarrassing myself. This one in the OP is so dull and joyless.

hryllilegur · 18/02/2023 13:38

I agree it’s a weird and spiteful article that actually reinforces so many problematic myths and, in doing so, makes it much harder for those trying to properly investigate the very important questions about the medical and pharmaceutical industries, the effects on young people, and such like.

This sort of thing is perpetuating the TRA genocide narrative and laying the blame at the door of anyone who asks questions. It’s not incisive satire; it’s more dangerous silencing.

Even worse when they’ve abused the concept of free speech several times in an article that is clearly designed to prevent people from raising concerns.

Depressing.

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