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One third of pupils kept home on "rainbow day" at Canadian school

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Rainbowshit · 17/02/2023 13:14

Yikes.

I guess there's more disquiet about this stuff in Canada than is reported.

lfpress.com/news/local-news/rainbow-day-why-did-one-third-of-kids-at-one-london-school-stay-home

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BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 17/02/2023 19:07

I've said for a long time that "acceptance without exception" in relation to trans ideology is going to have big repercussions for the LGB community.

I worry about this too.

Josette77 · 17/02/2023 19:04

I thimk people here are not seeing this through Canadian eyes. We celebrate all individual things here. We are a very unique country.

Baaaaaa · 17/02/2023 19:01

Blister · 17/02/2023 14:43

These "special" days wind me up. My daughter's school started black history month. And she's been told she's a slave and her predecessors were at the back of the bus. No dear, yours are called queen amina and they led armies to battle and never saw a fecking bus. She was the kid in school and now she's the black kid in school. There's a better way of making minority kids comfortable in school than singling them out. Including lgb kids.

This with bloody knobs on.

OneLongSmorgasbord · 17/02/2023 18:59

I've said for a long time that "acceptance without exception" in relation to trans ideology is going to have big repercussions for the LGB community.

But it's no longer enough to educate kids that some people have 2 mummies or 2 daddies, it's now

That's just the first 3 examples off the top of my head. There are lots more. None of those are OK and I'm surprised more people inside of the rainbow community can't see just how bad they look to those outside it.

When parents are reading about these things, why would they trust schools anymore?

When there is literally any problem that is related to someone trans or queer or whatever, it's hidden, explained away, and ignored. People get called bigots for highlighting the above things.

I think more LGB people need to realise that they are going to catch the backlash and start speaking up that maybe it's a bad idea to invite drag queens into schools, or at least doing cursory social media searches on the people they do invite in, that young children don't need to learn about sex toys, that teachers do not have the right to indoctrinate kids into their views in any way. Kids go to school to learn English, maths and science, not to talk about sex games with the teacher.
The more this inappropriateness is pushed from one side, the more it's going to get pushback from the other. I only hope it doesn't take down the whole of the LGB community with it.

Trivium4all · 17/02/2023 18:56

Couple of things to add, hopefully to help clarify and provide context, as a Canadian who lived not so far away from where that school is:

First, I got the impression from the article that the "Rainbow Day" wasn't about anything specifically to do with sexuality or gender or sex, but about diversity in general: the students were asked to wear shirts in their favourite colours (as a PP pointed out, shirts in various colours are trotted out for all sorts of occasions, so on this occasion, they wanted all the shirts together, I guess). The undertone I read in the article is, "Oh dear, some in the Muslim community appear to have thought that we meant the Pride rainbow. We should have communicated better," alongside considerable discomfort that perhaps this means that not everyone in that community approves of Pride...when surely all nice people everywhere agree about every "progressive" point... (as other PPs have pointed out). (N.B. I really don't like the term "X community", as it assumes a monolith that rarely exists.)

Second, while I take the point that being singled out for a characteristic, even in ostensible celebration, can have the opposite effect to making someone feel included (I speak from personal experience), there is a long tradition of speaking about Canada as a "cultural mosaic" (as opposed to the American "cultural melting pot"), and of holding festivals and celebratory days for just about any heritage or characteristic one could think of. The idea seems to be that by learning about each other's differences, one will learn to be appreciative and not fearful (the problem with this, of course, is that this model doesn't account for what happens when features of two cultures are mutually incompatible). Specifically, London (Canada) is a fairly large city that used to have a multicultural festival involving many of the various cultural heritage centres in the city putting on food, clothing, music, art etc. displays, and everyone travelled around eating each other's food and collecting stamps in a "passport" for the day. Many current teachers, and the parents of many children, will have taken part in this festival. Of course by itself it didn't resolve culture clashes, but it is still fondly remembered. So in this context, wanting to celebrate diversity by naïvely highlighting differences and saying "but that's ok" is at least consistent with specific local practice.

Third, the area within which this school is, is the more socioeconomically deprived region of the city (and is where many of the Syrian refugees have settled), and there was a huge case in the news last year in which a Muslim family was murdered in this city (although in a different area). It was the first mass killing ever in the city, and as I understand it, feelings around Islamophobia are still very raw. The uncomfortable undercurrent of the article will have something to do with that as well, and with the self-image of the generous kind welcoming Canadian not always being reflected in the reality of the situation.

And fourth, about the "New Canadians" thing: basically, if you're not Indigenous, you're a "New Canadian", even if your ancestors came over in the 16th century. So it's not an insult. In fact, the article seemed to be falling over itself wanting to make clear that the Syrian refugees were now considered Canadian, which is why it gets tangled in knots differentiating among really brand-new, formerly-Syrian-refugee-New-Canadians, and also-of-Middle-Eastern-heritage-but-second-or-third-generation-New Canadians. As another PP has said, asking where someone is from is not a loaded question in Canada like it can be here (at least not in an urban context in Ontario), because basically the assumption is that everyone is an immigrant at some point, and talking about when/from whence one's family arrived in Canada is a perfectly normal conversation starter in many situations.

StephanieSuperpowers · 17/02/2023 18:50

Not wanting children to be taught scientific untruths such as you can choose your sex is not transphobia.

And if it is, frankly, anyone who isn't transphobic is a public menace.

Rainbowshit · 17/02/2023 18:48

*Rainbowshit
It's part of an ongoing conversation about discomfort with what is being taught to our children about sex, sexuality and gender ideology.

There are numerous examples of inappropriate content and parents not being told what is being taught to their children.

What's happening is harmful in lots of ways and is not resulting in inclusion but harming LGBT acceptance.

Welcome to the creeping extension of transphobia to phobia for other minority groups.

Does this in any way surprise you?*

It's the same thought processes and rationale. Tacit sanctioning of transphobia is emboldening those who harbour similar attitudes towards other groups and who are seeking to normalise their attitudes in society.

And thank you for demonstrating part of the problem.

Not wanting children to be taught scientific untruths such as you can choose your sex is not transphobia.

Not wanting your children to roll a dice and select an orifice and a body part to insert is not homophobia.

Objecting to rainbow dildo butt monkey is not bigotry.

By smearing reasonable concerns as such you just add to the problem.

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nilsmousehammer · 17/02/2023 18:47

What about the ageism, sexism, racism, homophobia and ableism that is constantly pointed out as an active part of trans activism? That is sought to be normalised and excused.

'You're old and you'll die soon'.
'If black women are women then men are women'.
'lesbians have to learn to cope with straight sex or they're sexual racists <insert death threat>'
'No one has the right to a faith that means not tolerating males in female spaces and should just abandon that faith (and community, and home)'
'reframe your trauma'

AlisonDonut · 17/02/2023 18:45

Not wanting your kids taught by a man wearing pretend fake ginormous breasts isn't a phobia.

Jesus wept.

suggestionsplease1 · 17/02/2023 18:17

Rainbowshit · 17/02/2023 15:53

It's part of an ongoing conversation about discomfort with what is being taught to our children about sex, sexuality and gender ideology.

There are numerous examples of inappropriate content and parents not being told what is being taught to their children.

What's happening is harmful in lots of ways and is not resulting in inclusion but harming LGBT acceptance.

Welcome to the creeping extension of transphobia to phobia for other minority groups.

Does this in any way surprise you?

It's the same thought processes and rationale. Tacit sanctioning of transphobia is emboldening those who harbour similar attitudes towards other groups and who are seeking to normalise their attitudes in society.

Parisj · 17/02/2023 18:09

No kink, no pick and mix labels. Show different family formations by all means. Teach acceptance. Avoid being heteronormative. Teach biology. Teach sex ed age appropriately.

Roseey · 17/02/2023 18:05

IWineAndDontDine · 17/02/2023 14:15

Because, believe it or not, there will be members of the LGBT community at these schools, and we would rather they not feel like they are abnormal

DS is bisexual and hates the LGBetc stuff at school. He feels it makes it a "thing", as though it's an abnormality.

He's just normal. He doesn't want to talk about his sexual preferences at school. He has no interest whatsoever in bloody rainbows.

EndlessTea · 17/02/2023 18:01

I get the idea of everyone is different with a difference story to tell, and that the rainbow symbolises that - different colours together making a beautiful whole. So I definitely get the value of having days for celebrating difference.

But…

Singling out a particular group so that they can feel “normal” what bollocks! This assumes that everyone other than this group feels “normal” and has nothing about home they feel embarrassed or ashamed of.

Here’s a list of things that can make kids feel “not normal”.

  • They are they only people from a particular ethnicity in the school, their parents taste, the music they listen to is so different to anyone they know, their food, the packed lunches are all ‘weird and smelly’ to their classmates.
  • Their parents are going through a messy divorce, been caught having affairs and there’s loud drama every day.
  • A family member is certified with a mental illness and is in and out of mental hospital- so they need to take care of themselves a lot of the time.
  • They are very poor, never have anything new, never have been on a holiday abroad.
  • Their parents sent them to live with grandparents abroad for a few years and they are still reeling from it.
  • They have spent most of their childhood in and out of hospital, having multiple surgeries and have pain and mobility issues, they missed out on a lot of school and feel embarrassed about how much they don’t know.

I could keep on all day with this. I am getting really fed up with this notion that embarrassment about having homosexual feelings or parents is up there with the most pressing concerns.

IcakethereforeIam · 17/02/2023 17:58

Is it a school in Canada that's suspended a child for not supporting gender ideology? I don't think he was transphobic, I think he said it was against his religious beliefs (some flavour of Christianity).

Everycloud4 · 17/02/2023 17:49

I cant speak for Muslim people, but I am sick of being told that my beliefs as a Christian are bigotry. We have our beliefs and thats it. It doesn't mean we hate other people. I don't force scripture onto people so I dont see why people should try and talk me out of what I believe by saying its homophobic. Someone pulled this stunt at work recently and they didn't put themselves in a good light.
It's sad to see someone state that homophobia is in the Muslim community. Its sadly, in all communities if you search for it.

Josette77 · 17/02/2023 17:42

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 17/02/2023 17:34

If I was LGB, I'd be fucking livid that I'd been grouped with T. It's a totally different thing.

I suspect if the day was LGB, there'd be pretty much 100% attendance.

You would be wrong. The communites that strongly object to trans issues aren't cool with gay people. signed LGB person who lives here.

PermanentTemporary · 17/02/2023 17:41

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz I think that's a massive reach and unlikely.

nilsmousehammer · 17/02/2023 17:41

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Josette77 · 17/02/2023 17:39

I live in Canada.
We have blue shirt day for autism awareness.
Orange shirt day for First Nations.
Pink shirt day for anti-bulling.
Red shirt day for Terry Fox Day.
Black History month.

The point is there are lots of different days celebrated here.

Rainbowshit · 17/02/2023 17:39

Given how Canada has totally jumped the shark on these issues I wouldn't be surprised if the day involved external groups that would have been of concern to all parents not just those of other faiths.

And agree with a PP, there has to be religious freedom and respect for those religions even if you disagree with their beliefs. You're not going to just be able to force something on them that goes completely against their beliefs.

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BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 17/02/2023 17:34

If I was LGB, I'd be fucking livid that I'd been grouped with T. It's a totally different thing.

I suspect if the day was LGB, there'd be pretty much 100% attendance.

Tinner01 · 17/02/2023 17:33

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Tinner01 · 17/02/2023 17:32

Aaand my post has been deleted? What exactly did I say to violate the guidelines? Cheers @mnhq for allowing bigotry towards people like me to continue

StephanieSuperpowers · 17/02/2023 17:26

I'm not a Muslim, but I think I would have been one of those parents. I have absolutely no confidence at all that any activist group brought in to collaborate with these days (or material sourced from such groups) will be suitable for children. I do not want my child taught that some people are born in the wrong bodies or that someone can change sex and I have no faith that if I asked before the day, I'd be told the truth about what they plan to celebrate, exactly.

So if this happened in our school, my child would be ill on that day and also on any further days.

Intrepidescape · 17/02/2023 17:10

MourningTea · 17/02/2023 13:55

Why does there need to be a rainbow day in schools.
The only appropriate place to discuss sex is sex ed.
It's not exactly inclusive if kids attending is mandatory and it's being rammed down their throats..kinda like brainwashing.

There doesn’t need to be a rainbow day at all.