One third of pupils kept home on "rainbow day" at Canadian school

To get back to this part - honestly I do. At the very least it needs major reform based on my local schools. They exclusively focus on very modern history and much of it about US history. Black history (from my local schools point of view) starts with the transatlantic slave trade - nothing before that. Try and find something about say the Abbasid Caliphate, the Umayyad empire or the Mali empire and you will be sorely disappointed. Black history month is reduced to history about the white man interacting with the black man in very modern times.

Why I really dislike it is that the school is mostly white, a tiny bit black with a much larger and growing number of brown people. The brown people are almost never considered at all.

By the way, did I see in at least one of those brain studies that the males who were socially transitioned still did not have ‘female’ profile brains… it was noted they had brains that were not as similar to other males as they were to each other. Still not ‘female’ profile brains

Kind of defeats the purpose doesn’t it? I will pull out the line in the study tomorrow. It is too late tonight.

Sex is defined by large or small gamete production.

Brains have nothing to do with defining what sex is because many species are plants and don't have a brain.

One of the things that annoys me about the 'sex is not a binary' argument is that it relies on telling people they are not clever or educated enough to understand the science.

Which is actually what people have always said to women.

The science is straightforward, and sex is a binary.

Sex is a binary in all multicellular sexually reproducing species. Sex is binary in plants with both male and female systems. There is no third sex system.

It wouldn't matter if every single human had an intersex condition. We would still reproduce as male or female, just as all intersex mammals and birds do.

Yes wait, brain scans are interesting. But they are not conclusive at all.

Remember, if they were, they would be used as a test.

They are not. Because we know from the London cabbies that groups of people doing similar activities will have similar brain patterns.

Thank you Helleofabore - I can't really improve on your answer!

So far there has been nothing conclusive at all. It really is theory. Including a theoretical essay.

This one:

journals.publishing.umich.edu/ptpbio/article/id/2096/

I doubt that Suggestions has read this, but I hold out hope they have. And will come and explain to us what they found conclusive about sex contextualisation.

i look forward to it.

Because the way this plays out, is that if Suggestions doesn’t write analysis on these links, they then cannot complain when others do. They cannot say ‘oh you were always going to disagree’. That is not the way scientific discussion works. If you plop down any study, you have to discuss why you feel it supports what you claimed.

Otherwise, it is simply seen as an empty plop .

I've tried to read a number of the links which were posted as proof of sex not being a binary to find only abstracts, with no access to the full research unless through institution or subscription access. I no longer have Shibboleth access and I'm not going to take out a number of subscriptions just to read single links so perhaps suggestionsplease could link to the full research if this is the evidence they are using to back up their statements?

The links on that list I have been able to read are mostly around the subject of brain scans to identify whether transgender people have a similar brain structure to the gender they identify as. There's a number of methodological issues in the research and unanswered questions so I'm going to take current findings with a pinch of salt until the emergence of any further research

Just post something that says what you’re claiming. Which is that there are more than two sex, and that most scientists think this.

It’s really simple.

Why can’t you do it?

I feel a Princess Bride reference coming on @Helleofabore, the bit where Fezzig is fighting the man in black. I just don't want them to be discouraged

Nah icake, I had this with a different posted not long ago, plopped down 6 links and flounced and never came back to review the comments after the links were discussed.

This is a predictable tactic

And I really think that Suggestions did a hasty search and plopped something down.

@RufustheFloralmissingreindeer Well it's weird. I can accept that a lot of the bollocks that the telegraph writes about trans issues is just Tory talking points to distract from the rest of the disaster of the last 6 years, and a lot of that is unhelpful and can be pretty biased and simply conservative. But there are just so many people who seem to believe things that are not biological truth, it's a bit depressing. It's like we're slowly travelling back to the middle ages and shortly going to start burning witches.

Sorry, *flouncing off. Can't even blame autocorrupt for that one.

What I want to know is did suggestions go through these before posting.

Is this a dump from google?

Seriously. If you think suggestions that plopping down links with no commentary is some kind of ‘gotcha’ , it really shows just shows your own low bar for evidence.

And it is fine that you go down the route of ‘you will all just pull them apart.’

Yes. Because conclusive research stands up despite people pulling it apart.

Just like Harper’s review of the same studies reached the same conclusions as Hilton and Lundberg.

That is how it works.

Very true icake

To be fair, they did go to the trouble of posting links before flounce got. So, kudos for that. And, they didn't come right out and call us bigots, although I suppose the implication was there if you were looking for it.

No alison

those links are not unmitigated dross that don’t say what suggestions says they say…

they are irrefutable evidence of lots of different sexes…fact

(disclaimer….i havent read them cos im fed up of following links that dont say what ive been told they say)

Thanks cherry

im afraid its all real 😩

I'm working from the the bottom up of those links and the last one even says that transgender people report discomfort with their birth sex and have a strong identification with the OPPOSITE sex.

Two sexes. Binary.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8955456/

We have seen this one. It is interesting. But it proves nothing already known.

It was already known that hormones (even artificial hormones) and activities will create ‘brain’ pathways that are similar in male and female. This one excluded males undergoing hormonal treatment.

However. If this were robust and conclusive, don’t you think they would be using this to test for trans gender identity?

They don’t. It is still a theory and this proves nothing despite you wishing that it did. Otherwise the testing would be done and would be conclusive.

We asked for evidence not theories. This one is a theory.

Well mainly suggestions please. I mean...he or she is a bored teen, right?

Youre going to have to be slightly more descriptive im afraid

ive no idea which people you are referring to

The people on this thread...they're not for real, are they?

'Sex classes' do encompass all human beings. What makes you think they don't?

What's with the obsession of creating an infinite number of new categories and sub categories of human?

LGBTQ+ is not a community. Stop this jargon.

LGB is an orientation based on ‘sex’ . It is based in biology. It is homophobia when a potentially gay person is given they idea they are transgender and led to
wreck their healthy body.

T doesn’t believe in the sex of the body and wants it destroyed.

Q wants boundaries removed which we as humans build on purpose to form society.

TQ are appropriating and piggybacking.