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Ash Regan to stand for SNP leader

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ArabellaScott · 16/02/2023 22:30

'Ash Regan, the minister who spearheaded the biggest rebellion in SNP history when she resigned her community safety post to oppose Sturgeon’s bill, has told friends she is likely to run for the leadership. She urged former SNP members who quit over Sturgeon’s stance on transgender rights to rejoin the party and participate in the election.'

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0729010a-adf0-11ed-91ef-347dcf6a25f6?shareToken=7e340d6ac34e89f376ed9568b12bef1a

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/02/16/snp-minister-ash-regan-revolt-sturgeon-gender-reforms-surprise/

news.sky.com/story/rebel-msp-ash-regan-has-thrown-hat-into-the-ring-for-snp-leadership-12812489

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2013isback · 21/02/2023 13:20

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 20/02/2023 21:58

This is false.

NEC attempted to change the party constitution to bring this about, but were ultimately overruled by the leadership. There is absolutely nothing preventing any SNP MP standing as an MSP. Joanna Cherry opted not to stand in Edinburgh Central once she realised she had absolutely no support within the party to do so.

This isn't right either.

The SNP Constitution doesn't directly address candidate eligibility; it charges the NEC with setting out rules for each election, in line with Standing Orders and driven by the membership via the National Conference.

In August 2020, the NEC set rules for the Holyrood elections of May 2021. This introduced the requirement for sitting MPs to resign before standing as MSPs. SNP MPs weren't prevented from standing, but it did become significantly more complicated and most who had expressed an interest before the change abandoned their plans to avoid closing their constituency offices and dismissing their staff. A group of SNP parliamentarians wrote to the FM protesting the policy, to no avail. There was also a court case by an SNP activist that went nowhere.

The rule absolutely was binding for the last Holyrood election. Here's Neil Grey, the only SNP MP who actually did stand as an SNP MSP (although two other SNP MPs switched party and stood) explaining why he had to resign. It's ultimately up to the NEC to keep, change, or discard this requirement when the rules for the next Holyrood election are set.

littlbrowndog · 20/02/2023 22:39

Say what the Green Party idiots could resign. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🥃🥃🥃

go on do it leave us berefit but yet be gone you lot who helped to ruin Scotland

ArabellaScott · 20/02/2023 22:09

Oh, really? Okay, apologies if I missed the latter part of that playing out!

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XDownwiththissortofthingX · 20/02/2023 21:58

ArabellaScott · 19/02/2023 21:07

Sorry, I explained that badly. SNP rules created in 2020 say that an MP has to resign before standing for MSP.

This is false.

NEC attempted to change the party constitution to bring this about, but were ultimately overruled by the leadership. There is absolutely nothing preventing any SNP MP standing as an MSP. Joanna Cherry opted not to stand in Edinburgh Central once she realised she had absolutely no support within the party to do so.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/02/2023 21:27

Scotparl is split between Independence (SNP/Greens) and Unionists (everyone else).

But at the moment there is some sort of formal pact between the Greens and SNP. Apparently if the Westminster block of the GRR isn't challenged Harvie and Slater would resign - that would be an added bonus...

TheABC · 20/02/2023 20:51

I have no idea who is the popular candidate, but I am sitting back with the popcorn to enjoy it.

Beats another round of Westminster musical chairs. At this stage it will be an achievement if the Tories end 2023 with the same leader in place.

ArabellaScott · 20/02/2023 20:51

TheBiologyStupid · 20/02/2023 20:47

Thanks, Natasha. If the Greens pull out, couldn't Holyrood simply function as a more collaborative parliament (as was originally intended)? I guess that none of the contenders could say that out loud though...

Scotparl is split between Independence (SNP/Greens) and Unionists (everyone else).

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ArabellaScott · 20/02/2023 20:51

TheBiologyStupid · 20/02/2023 19:59

I'm not Scottish (or living in Scotland) so forgive me if this is a stupid question. Is Ash Regan's decision to go with 1) rejection of the GRR and 2) willingness to view the next Holyrood election as a de facto independence referendum a good decision? Given Humza Yousaf supports GRR (but has said that Isla Bryant is pretending to be a TW) but doesn't see the election as a proxy for IndyRef2 which way will SNP members go? I see that Kate Forbes is saying she wouldn't have voted for GRR (although IIRC, she could have voted for or against), but I'm not sure of her position on the election=referendum stuff.

i guess I'm asking whether Ash stands a realistic chance in this race and whether Scottish independence trumps GRR nonsense for SNP supporters.

It's very hard to say. I slightly suspect the SNP membership will be more likely to choose Humza Yousaf as the 'continuity candidate'.

I think most don't back the GRR especially but won't step out of line. As for the de facto referendum ... it's a daft idea as far as I can tell. No idea what SNP members think of it. But yes, they'll probably largely back indie over GRR/women.

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TheBiologyStupid · 20/02/2023 20:47

Thanks, Natasha. If the Greens pull out, couldn't Holyrood simply function as a more collaborative parliament (as was originally intended)? I guess that none of the contenders could say that out loud though...

DuesToTheDirt · 20/02/2023 20:43

Ash Regan resigned her ministerial post back in October over the GRR, I assume she'd find it hard to support it now - and it would look hypocritical too.

NatashaDancing · 20/02/2023 20:37

I'm not an SNP supporter. Of the 3, Regan looks slightly less useless but the SNP will likey lose Green support if they pick her and she chooses to drop GRR.

My husband to his embarrassment has a relative who is an SNP MSP - independence trumps everything. Husband's relative privately does not support the GRR but will do what the party tells them to. Relative will drop it if told to, will support it if told to.

Personally I don't much care- they all support an ideology I'm opposed to , although Yousaf is likely to make more of a mess than the other two so he's my preference.The Times Scotland readers are solidly behind Yousaf !

TheBiologyStupid · 20/02/2023 19:59

I'm not Scottish (or living in Scotland) so forgive me if this is a stupid question. Is Ash Regan's decision to go with 1) rejection of the GRR and 2) willingness to view the next Holyrood election as a de facto independence referendum a good decision? Given Humza Yousaf supports GRR (but has said that Isla Bryant is pretending to be a TW) but doesn't see the election as a proxy for IndyRef2 which way will SNP members go? I see that Kate Forbes is saying she wouldn't have voted for GRR (although IIRC, she could have voted for or against), but I'm not sure of her position on the election=referendum stuff.

i guess I'm asking whether Ash stands a realistic chance in this race and whether Scottish independence trumps GRR nonsense for SNP supporters.

Needmoresleep · 20/02/2023 11:35

Kate Forbes is apparently announcing her candidature today. Angus Robertson is not standing.

So two GC. One not.

NatashaDancing · 19/02/2023 21:45

ArabellaScott · 19/02/2023 21:43

Cross post.

To which I've now cross post replied !

NatashaDancing · 19/02/2023 21:44

ArabellaScott · 19/02/2023 21:42

Well, as I said, it was fine for SNP MPs/MSPs to hold a dual mandate up until 2020, when Joanna Cherry (as an MP) stated her intent to stand as MSP. At which point, there was this hasty rule change.

I know. I wasn't disagreeing with you but with MargaritaRita's interpretation of what you wrote.

ArabellaScott · 19/02/2023 21:43

Cross post.

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ArabellaScott · 19/02/2023 21:42

Well, as I said, it was fine for SNP MPs/MSPs to hold a dual mandate up until 2020, when Joanna Cherry (as an MP) stated her intent to stand as MSP. At which point, there was this hasty rule change.

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NatashaDancing · 19/02/2023 21:40

MargaritaRita · 19/02/2023 21:19

@ArabellaScott Thanks for the information. I was puzzled as I thought I read that some MSPs had a dual mandate, but couldn't understand why SNPs didn't seem to. I get it now. I suppose (correct me if I am wrong) it makes sense for that party as they are separatist not Unionist and you are either for an independent Scotland or you're not, therefore you cannot have two masters, or something like that!

That's not the reason. The SNP MP's in Westminster are every bit as separatist and for an "independent Scotland" as the SNP SMPs in Holyrood.

The official reason is , I suppose, that they've got 2 jobs and can't do both properly. That didn't stop Salmond being an MP and an MSP.

The real reason was almost certainly to make life more difficult for Cherry. I've no particular issue with Sturgeon trying to make life difficult for Cherry - internal bickering, squabbling, petty grudge holding and back stabbing is fine by me.

MargaritaRita · 19/02/2023 21:19

@ArabellaScott Thanks for the information. I was puzzled as I thought I read that some MSPs had a dual mandate, but couldn't understand why SNPs didn't seem to. I get it now. I suppose (correct me if I am wrong) it makes sense for that party as they are separatist not Unionist and you are either for an independent Scotland or you're not, therefore you cannot have two masters, or something like that!

ArabellaScott · 19/02/2023 21:07

Sorry, I explained that badly. SNP rules created in 2020 say that an MP has to resign before standing for MSP.

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ArabellaScott · 19/02/2023 21:06

MargaritaRita · 19/02/2023 20:50

I'm not from UK, so am very confused about representation for Scotland whilst following the SNP situation with great interest.

I understand that Scotland has its own parliament with MSPs, but there also seem to be MPs in Westminster representing Scotland, Joanna Cherry springs to mind. Is there a dual mandate or must a candidate only stand for election for the Scottish Parliament elections OR Westminster elections but not both? Thanks if anyone can clarify for me and apologies for my ignorance.

For the SNP, you are unable to stand as both MP and MSP, which is why Joanna Cherry was forced to resign her MSP seat, if my memory serves. There are some who say this rule was created specifically to bar her from standing as First Minister.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-53607198

Douglas Ross, the Tory leader in Scotland, is both MP and MSP.

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ArabellaScott · 19/02/2023 21:02

NatashaDancing · 19/02/2023 16:50

But not against it enough to risk her ministerial post. She could have voted against the Bill, if she felt that strongly.

That is true.

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MargaritaRita · 19/02/2023 20:50

I'm not from UK, so am very confused about representation for Scotland whilst following the SNP situation with great interest.

I understand that Scotland has its own parliament with MSPs, but there also seem to be MPs in Westminster representing Scotland, Joanna Cherry springs to mind. Is there a dual mandate or must a candidate only stand for election for the Scottish Parliament elections OR Westminster elections but not both? Thanks if anyone can clarify for me and apologies for my ignorance.

NatashaDancing · 19/02/2023 20:38

VeryLittleOwl · 19/02/2023 20:16

She was on maternity leave over the entire period of the three votes - apparently one of the reasons the SNP was so desperate to push it through before Christmas is that she was coming back in the new year and they didn't want to risk a second minister resigning over it, particularly not such a high-profile one.

Forbes could have used a "keeping in touch day" logged on remotely to vote against it if she cared that much.

NatashaDancing · 19/02/2023 20:35

Ash Regan is pushing the "de facto referendum". She's as bad as any of them

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