Re: Starmer

Alexei also says Starmer wants to hand the baton to Wes Streeting ' who looks like his son - only made out of margarine.'

Oh hello jgw1, once again you appear to have confused me with someone who is interested in having a conversation with you.

You have now used up your single, allotted reply. Good day to you.

if you do not vote for one party, then whether you vote for, spoil your ballot or go to the pub you are helping the other party become the government.

That's not true. I live in a safe seat with a margin of thousands. At the last election, women acted/voted tactically according to local conditions as well as their conscience. It would be good if you could give us some credit instead of assuming we are politically naive.

The UK parliamentary system is such that there are only two parties that have any chance of forming the next government (actually currently there is one party that has a greater than 99% chance, but lets ignore that for now). That being so, if you do not vote for one party, then whether you vote for, spoil your ballot or go to the pub you are helping the other party become the government.

Can I just check this. Women are being locked up with men in prison cells now.
The current government is Tory. They are in charge of the prison system.
So I shouldn't vote Labour?

A few years ago, I would have been rejoicing at their lead. Now I see all the women being locked up with men in prison cells, the abolishment of rape crisis centres for women, the warping of statistics which might have shown how women are disadvantages in healthcare, the 'all female' short lists full of men etc. etc. I can't rejoice at that. I can't feel safe in a world where our 'leaders' consider that progress and judge themselves as morally superior for making it happen. I don't think some people have any idea where this ends.

Labour are a dead duck with a predicted 250seat majority at the next General Election.

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

He's a danger to women. He refuses to listen to them and arrogantly assumes that he knows best. His 'focus group' to check out his male supremacy thinking was to ask his white, highly privileged wife and white, highly privileged teen daughter whether they agreed with him. He's destroyed the only viable challenge to the Tory party because of this arrogance. He's fucking the country over through his refusal to listen to people's very well thought through concerns. He said 'it should never be said that only women have a cervix' and feels that he, a man, has the right to tell women what they should and shouldn't say. He needs out of politics now. He's not fit to lead a scout group let alone a governing party.

I don't think that's the intended meaning though, I think they intend to carve out a way to justify female single sex spaces while pushing gender self ID (at least on the basis of this statement - no doubt it will change). I look forward to the verbal gymnastics in attempting to articulate that in a coherent manner...

Even then, it doesn't begin to deal with sports etc, which is why i think it's just another provisional holding place until they realise they actually need a policy

He's a nasty, nasty piece of work.

I'm honestly baffled by the strong emotion in this. Why do you dislike him so intensely?

Once you've redefined 'single sex' to effectively mean mixed sex, you can then spin your male supremacy lies far and wide. Starmer is killing the LP. He's a nasty, nasty piece of work.

Yep especially to top one but Starmer weak on second too

Labour has been out so long they are politics by focus group. There’s no vision just an eye on keeping various factions happy

I hope the gender issue gets them too as it did Sturgeon and they finally have to change or lose

Once these social changes are introduced they are NEVER rolled back.

Apparently that applies to Brexit too. Not even KS will go there despite clear evidence it was a colossal mistake.

Hah, exactly!

Talking of fucking little wooden Thunderbird puppet, I used to have a terrible crush on Virgil Tracy (sex on a stick). Even bearing that in mind, I couldn't vote for Starmer unless he makes an unequivocal statement on women's rights.

Once these social changes are introduced they are NEVER rolled back. I think you had better get used to living in a dystopia for ever if Labour or a left wing coalition are elected. I can stand ap few more years of the Tories if that's what it takes to bring Labour to its senses.

Thinking about it, I find KS's position weird.

He is too authoritarian on this, but he also can't seem to control his party where he needs to.

I'm very sympathetic to the fact that it's kind of an impossible job. Which is maybe where the leader just really needs some political nous and vision.

I would not say this is quite the same. BJ certainly wanted to call the shots anddemanded personal loyalty, but I don't think there was the same kind of demonization of those who disagreed. I also think looking for some party unity on something like Brexit, which needed to be acted upon once the vote had happened, is not the same as completely shutting down discussion of a contentious social change. The latter is almost the definition of a moral/ethical question that has to be worked through to find an appropriate direction.

In general I think party politics have become too centralized, which is one reason why a second house is really important, but the tendency to try and tar dissenting views as racists, homophobes, etc, and deplatform speech as "violence" is a particular problem of the left. And identity politics is absolutely a problem of the left. Conservatives have been pretty lukewarm about it all along, which is why they get accused of being the wrong kind of black people and so on.

It will be very interesting to see what Starmer does now. I hope that with rapist gender now out there actually some of the TWAW true believers will have to back pedal a bit. I think its important to bear in mind that many want to think of themselves as doing the right thing and supporting the most vulnerable. Everything that has happened in Scotland recently has made it almost impossible (for most people) to continue with the previous approach. For example, I have a number of friends who went along with all the TWAW, scowled when I asked what is the difference with Rachel Dolezal etc, wouldn't ever actually think about it properly, but would really struggle to say that Isla Bryson should go to a women's prison. For the first time in years we will actually be able to start having sensible conversations about this stuff without anyone who disagrees being dismissed as a bigot. And the more that happens the less people like Starmer will worry about losing votes or being cancelled because of this nonsense.

The fact that all the parties except the Tories (although TM was going to bring in self-I'd) have been captured, plus the fact that the Tories are crap on pretty much every other level, leaves me seriously consider if I should even bother voting.

And yes, I am one of those people writing letters. But what's the alternative?

FWIW, I come from a country where people are threatened with violence if they don't support the right party, so not voting is a very very big deal to me.

Similarly, people in my country wouldn't dare put their name to a letter to a politician that complains about anything. That's dangerous too. It constantly strikes me how, what is considered a fruitless pathetic gesture here, could earn you a vicious beating elsewhere. I think that's worthy of a bit of thought too.

I get that too twitterexile and see it all the time.
Me: 'I won't be voting Labour unless they can reassure me that they won't bring in self ID.'
Labour Poster(s): 'OMG how can you vote Tory!'
Or 'But what about the ....(insert a Tory policy).

What's happened to reading?

You have rather proven my point that any criticism of Labour brings the 'but the Tories are worse!' response.
Where did I say I voted Tory?
I am an ex LP member who will never vote Labour again. Ever. This does not automatically mean that I will vote Tory. In the last election I spoiled my ballot with a feminist sticker and will probably do so next year too.

Genuine question- what would it take for you to not vote Tory?

They have been the party of government for 13 years. 13 bloody years.

I don't pretend that I am comfortable voting for Labour and I may not do it yet, but really, it's as if some people have been living in an alternative reality for the last 13 years, which have been the most damaging and divisive of my lifetime.

If I were KS, I would go full-on TWAW, propose amending the GRA in line with the GRR but bring down the minimum age to 12, propose amending the EA to remove sex as a protected characteristic and propose repeal of the same-sex marriage act.

This might seem counter-intuitive but it should ensure that Labour loses the next GE and he could sit back and watch the Tories wallow in the ongoing clusterfuck.

As ever on here, any criticism of the LP/Starmer brings out 'but the Tories are so much worse' posters who are inexplicably still in thrall to the disaster that is the LP in 2023.
And those posters beavering away writing to Starmer to try and remind him that women are a sex class - why waste your time? This is a man who said on national tv that it is 'wrong' that only women have a cervix and that it 'shouldn't be said'. You will get nowhere. The LP is a dead duck.