Page 5 | Re: Starmer

EpicChaos · 2023-02-15T22:12:52+00:00

I hope that starmer, having possibly wetted his finger and stuck it in the air to see which way the wind is blowing,following Sturgeons resignation, doesn't think, that if he starts to be a bit GC, that women will be keen to vote for him! The man has already planted his flag and just like Sturgeon, he chose to plant it on the north face of the Eiger. More fool him! imo. I've already seen the colours that he wears and they aren't green, purple and white! Women don't owe him a damned thing!

SinnerBoy · 17/02/2023 19:13

donquixotedelamancha · Today 17:43

Boris Johnson won an election as Prime Minister; Boris Johnson!

Please dignify him with his full and proper name:

Boris Fucking Johnson.

scratchedbymycat · 17/02/2023 19:05

In the meantime, the fact that we live under an effectively dictatorial system where two parties both promote the economic interests of the establishment and ensure there is no mechanism to challenge it is not my fault.

You don't live in a dictatorship. Not even remotely. I grew up in one, and this level of self indulgent hyperbole is so insulting to those of us who actually know what a dictatorship is.

Go eat a kitten.

scratchedbymycat · 17/02/2023 19:02

twitterexile · 17/02/2023 17:11

Still some Corbynites around then. Amazing! 😂

Clearly! Jeepers, even after the EHRC report, still it's all lies and propaganda . Starmer was bang on correct to get rid of Corbyn if this is still prevalent in the party. God forbid they get someone to rally behind again and do immeasurable harm.

scratchedbymycat · 17/02/2023 19:00

scaredoff · 17/02/2023 17:06

Not outright, but those who had to install panic alarms and have bodyguards for protection couldn't really safely stay. That's a form of expulsion - 'constructive dismissal' perhaps.

Oh FFS what an offensive load of made up propaganda twaddle.

Did you know that Boris Johnson personally ate my kitten?

Shelagh Fogarty referred to precisely this from conversations she had with Luciana Berger earlier this week, live on air. The precautions she had to take went far beyond bodyguards, and the police believed the threats against her were credible.

If you deny this, you are part of the problem, FFS.

MarshaBradyo · 17/02/2023 18:59

scaredoff · 17/02/2023 18:26

Must admit, for all I hate Starmer the idea of the Tories being destroyed that comprehensively is very beguiling, and could in theory usher in a much needed level of change in how people think about politics. Problem is they'd be destroyed by someone who equally represents all the same establishment interests as they do, who would only have achieved such an electoral consensus and would only be allowed to govern by not challenging those interests. Starmer has already signalled lack of appetite for reform of anything that really matters (neoliberalism; protest and civil liberties; the electoral system). So we'd end up in basically the same situation, just with leaders that aren't called The Conservative Party.

But really I think this is getting a bit far fetched. Yes, Labour will almost certainly be the largest party. Beyond that? Who knows. 15 months is a REALLY long time in politics. People say stuff to polling agencies, particularly mid-term when a goverment is unpopular, that doesn't translate into action. And I think people are underestimating the 30-40% of the electorate who WILL. NEVER. VOTE. ANYTHING. BUT. CONSERVATIVE. - who have never and will never think politically about anything, but just stick their X in the box like automatons.

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just stick their X in the box like automatons.

This must apply to some Labour voters too.

jgw1 · 17/02/2023 18:58

scaredoff · 17/02/2023 18:26

Must admit, for all I hate Starmer the idea of the Tories being destroyed that comprehensively is very beguiling, and could in theory usher in a much needed level of change in how people think about politics. Problem is they'd be destroyed by someone who equally represents all the same establishment interests as they do, who would only have achieved such an electoral consensus and would only be allowed to govern by not challenging those interests. Starmer has already signalled lack of appetite for reform of anything that really matters (neoliberalism; protest and civil liberties; the electoral system). So we'd end up in basically the same situation, just with leaders that aren't called The Conservative Party.

But really I think this is getting a bit far fetched. Yes, Labour will almost certainly be the largest party. Beyond that? Who knows. 15 months is a REALLY long time in politics. People say stuff to polling agencies, particularly mid-term when a goverment is unpopular, that doesn't translate into action. And I think people are underestimating the 30-40% of the electorate who WILL. NEVER. VOTE. ANYTHING. BUT. CONSERVATIVE. - who have never and will never think politically about anything, but just stick their X in the box like automatons.

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A good example of never voting anything but Conservative would be North Shropshire which is deeply conservative. Can't think why they elected a Lib Dem MP.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 17/02/2023 18:54

jgw1 · 17/02/2023 17:47

Have a look at the predictor at
www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

It may surprise you. The Tory MP in the consituency I live secured over 50% of the votes last time. There is an 84% chance of a Labour MP next time. A Labour MP in a deeply conservative rural shire constituency...

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Thank you, I will

Floisme · 17/02/2023 18:30

I agree - people can get excited if they so choose but it's far too early to say. Anyone who remembers the '92 Sheffield rally will know that.

scaredoff · 17/02/2023 18:26

Floisme · 17/02/2023 18:04

I might actually prefer a comfortable Labour majority to an inconclusive result. It would certainly boost his position within the party and who knows, might even give him the confidence to relocate his backbone.

If they ended up with no overall majority, or even just a small one, he'd have to run around scrabbling together deals with some absolute loons, and he'd be badly wounded with the vultures gathering. Lord knows, I ran out of patience with Starmer some time ago but some of his senior colleagues scare me even more.

Whether that will l influence my vote I haven't yet decided.

Must admit, for all I hate Starmer the idea of the Tories being destroyed that comprehensively is very beguiling, and could in theory usher in a much needed level of change in how people think about politics. Problem is they'd be destroyed by someone who equally represents all the same establishment interests as they do, who would only have achieved such an electoral consensus and would only be allowed to govern by not challenging those interests. Starmer has already signalled lack of appetite for reform of anything that really matters (neoliberalism; protest and civil liberties; the electoral system). So we'd end up in basically the same situation, just with leaders that aren't called The Conservative Party.

But really I think this is getting a bit far fetched. Yes, Labour will almost certainly be the largest party. Beyond that? Who knows. 15 months is a REALLY long time in politics. People say stuff to polling agencies, particularly mid-term when a goverment is unpopular, that doesn't translate into action. And I think people are underestimating the 30-40% of the electorate who WILL. NEVER. VOTE. ANYTHING. BUT. CONSERVATIVE. - who have never and will never think politically about anything, but just stick their X in the box like automatons.

Floisme · 17/02/2023 18:17

Just noticed your posts Rufus - thank you

scaredoff · 17/02/2023 18:09

Number of Labour seats -(sum of the seat of all the other parties) = majority.

Makes sense, thanks! Momentary maths blockage duly unblocked.

jgw1 · 17/02/2023 18:09

Floisme · 17/02/2023 18:04

I might actually prefer a comfortable Labour majority to an inconclusive result. It would certainly boost his position within the party and who knows, might even give him the confidence to relocate his backbone.

If they ended up with no overall majority, or even just a small one, he'd have to run around scrabbling together deals with some absolute loons, and he'd be badly wounded with the vultures gathering. Lord knows, I ran out of patience with Starmer some time ago but some of his senior colleagues scare me even more.

Whether that will l influence my vote I haven't yet decided.

Deals with absolute loons like Jacob Rees- Mogg and Michael Fabricant?

Floisme · 17/02/2023 18:04

I might actually prefer a comfortable Labour majority to an inconclusive result. It would certainly boost his position within the party and who knows, might even give him the confidence to relocate his backbone.

If they ended up with no overall majority, or even just a small one, he'd have to run around scrabbling together deals with some absolute loons, and he'd be badly wounded with the vultures gathering. Lord knows, I ran out of patience with Starmer some time ago but some of his senior colleagues scare me even more.

Whether that will l influence my vote I haven't yet decided.

jgw1 · 17/02/2023 18:00

scaredoff · 17/02/2023 17:57

I'm confused. That poll predicts 450 Labour seats and 112 Tory ones in a 650 seat parliament.

That is of course staggering, but how does it equate to a majority of 250? It's a majority of 125 above the 50% level required to govern alone, or a majority of 338 above the next largest party. I can't get 250 from anywhere.

Someone who understands these things please explain...

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Number of Labour seats -(sum of the seat of all the other parties) = majority.

scaredoff · 17/02/2023 17:57

jgw1 · 17/02/2023 17:47

Have a look at the predictor at
www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

It may surprise you. The Tory MP in the consituency I live secured over 50% of the votes last time. There is an 84% chance of a Labour MP next time. A Labour MP in a deeply conservative rural shire constituency...

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I'm confused. That poll predicts 450 Labour seats and 112 Tory ones in a 650 seat parliament.

That is of course staggering, but how does it equate to a majority of 250? It's a majority of 125 above the 50% level required to govern alone, or a majority of 338 above the next largest party. I can't get 250 from anywhere.

Someone who understands these things please explain...

jgw1 · 17/02/2023 17:55

Abccde · 17/02/2023 17:52

I live in a Kind Yuppie area :-)

Actually I do live in a key seat.

It is one that Labour need to win. Win the seat, win the election basically.

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Kind Yuppie and Strong Right here, apparently going to vote Labour.

I think this may be why there is so much anti-Starmer rhetoric.

Abccde · 17/02/2023 17:52

jgw1 · 17/02/2023 17:47

Have a look at the predictor at
www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

It may surprise you. The Tory MP in the consituency I live secured over 50% of the votes last time. There is an 84% chance of a Labour MP next time. A Labour MP in a deeply conservative rural shire constituency...

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I live in a Kind Yuppie area :-)

Actually I do live in a key seat.

It is one that Labour need to win. Win the seat, win the election basically.

jgw1 · 17/02/2023 17:47

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 17/02/2023 17:42

Tories got nearly 33k in 2019, labour got just under 9k

really can’t see hat turning round where i live

Have a look at the predictor at
www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

It may surprise you. The Tory MP in the consituency I live secured over 50% of the votes last time. There is an 84% chance of a Labour MP next time. A Labour MP in a deeply conservative rural shire constituency...

jgw1 · 17/02/2023 17:44

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 17/02/2023 17:38

who some analysts suggest will not be the Official opposition

that would certainly raise a smile….or a snigger

It has well within the margin of error in the polling for some time, but there are a significant number of don't know voters out there, and how you deal with that in the analysis makes a difference.

Still would be fun, to have the SNP as the offical opposition and given I keep hearing on there boards how awful Sturgeon was, I assume thier fortunes are about to soar.

donquixotedelamancha · 17/02/2023 17:43

I doubt smaller parties like the Tories (who some analysts suggest will not be the Official opposition)

I just can't imagine that. A substantial minority of the country would vote Tory no matter who the candidate was.

Boris Johnson won an election as Prime Minister; Boris Johnson!

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 17/02/2023 17:42

Tories got nearly 33k in 2019, labour got just under 9k

really can’t see hat turning round where i live

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 17/02/2023 17:38

who some analysts suggest will not be the Official opposition

that would certainly raise a smile….or a snigger

jgw1 · 17/02/2023 17:35

Current polling gives Labour a 250 seat majority at the next election, I doubt smaller parties like the Tories (who some analysts suggest will not be the Official opposition) will get much of a look in.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 17/02/2023 17:34

jgw1 · 17/02/2023 17:30

You are quite correct no one has to respond to anyone. Sometimes though when that occurs people might draw the conclusion that the person not responding is doing so because they don't have a coherrent argument to make.

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Sometimes….

sometimes it might be because a poster has wound the shit out of someone on previous threads even though they had coherent arguments which were roundly ignored by the poster doing the winding up

sometimes that happens as well

Chersfrozenface · 17/02/2023 17:32

I wonder what Starmer will do about the tweet linked to in this pist here on the FWR board.

"An Equalities Officer for the Labour party has posted a tweet based on PP style slogans. But it says:

gender critical
adult human murderers

See twitter.com/JournalistJill/status/1626541064919064576