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Non-binary Sam Brinton in court soon

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ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 19:56

news.yahoo.com/nonbinary-former-biden-official-sam-165656140.html

'Brinton faces up to 10 years in prison for the alleged theft of the bag'

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Anactor · 23/02/2023 11:19

“'Queer Theory' arises from post modernistic ideas that there is no truth and no reality other than that which one defines for oneself.”

Is there any survey of the class background of the main queer theorists? Because being able to define reality for oneself sounds very much like a luxury belief. You need social status to be able to enforce your reality on others, plus the financial reserves to avoid having to deal with pesky realities like rent.

Then there’s the assumption that your world is a peaceful one. From personal experience, there’s nothing like a bomb going off outside your window to make you realise there is a reality that’s external to your thoughts and desires.

You’d think a nuclear engineer ought to be able to tell fantasy from reality, but hey ho.

GarethSouthgatesWaistcoat · 23/02/2023 11:16

He also wore a very recognisable rainbow design t-shirt (striking white t-shirt with large rainbow + atom graphic). Then stole a woman's suitcase at the end of the flight (Las Vegas) wearing the same, recognisable t-shirt. He even made a social media post about the t-shirt prior to boarding his flight at Washington DC airport.

He wasn't interested in disguising himself in order to commit the theft (hoodie thrown on top, or change of t-shirt on the flight). All captured on security camera at Las Vegas airport.

Brazen.

Helleofabore · 23/02/2023 11:14

NotHavingIt

Thank you for your patient posts. Sadly, you are simply repeating the steps that many of us have done now for years with this poster.

However, in saying that, each time one of us explains like this the readers of these threads get another great explanation.

And hey, maybe, just maybe you will have found the right combination of words that will convince suggestions.

ZombieMumEB · 23/02/2023 11:10

suggestionsplease1 · 23/02/2023 07:57

I am saying the hostile obsession promotes a culture of hostility to all trans people. Just as it did with lesbians in the 80s.

Are you talking about the hostile obsession some TRAs have with J.K. Rowling?

Seeing all the lies aimed at JKR, the death threats and conspiracy theory, I agree that this has created a culture of hostility within the TRA community.

One positive outcome from this though - it peaked me and many others.

NotHavingIt · 23/02/2023 11:09

suggestionsplease1 · 23/02/2023 08:18

It is up to those who have the most parsimonious explanation to defend that explanation.

This has not been achieved by those who promote sex binary. There has been no logical definition given that can encompass all human beings.

Please achieve it and we can talk again.

Your seem to be confused between what you call a 'sex binary' and ideas around gender roles and streotypes. You seem to think that being male or female must necessarily result in certain types of behaviour or preference and thus is socially constructed.

Male and female are biological significators not personality indicators. Sex is indeed binary. What is not binary is personal character, preference or expression. This is the 'gender' bit.

Nobody here is promoting fixed sex based roles or expressions - in fact that seems to be what you are doing. Personal expression is indeed fluid regardless of sex. Some men like fashion and home interiors and dressing up, and some women are highly rational and logical and excel at design engineering, as two very stereotypical examples. Some men are same sex attracted and want to be desired by other men, and some women are same sex attracted and are romantically fascinated by other women.

But that doesn't over-ride the facts of sex which at a deeper biological level does have an impact and consequences. Being in a sexed body does determine certain types of experience - not only in a physical sense, but following on from that in a mental, emotional and social sense too.

We are not entirely separate from our body and its cellular level of programming; and modifying the hair style, the clothing or even the secondary sexual characteristics does not change one's sex at a deeper cellular level.

Sex matters, and it matters in quite specific ways for women and girls - which is why we have single sex protections and rights. society has deemed that women and girls are in need of these rights if they are to be afforded dignity in our society.

Helleofabore · 23/02/2023 11:04

NotHavingIt · 23/02/2023 10:51

You use the word 'obsession' to belittle at the upsurge in strong feeling among many people; especially women, that their very integrity as a specific grouping/type of human being is being colonised, appropriated and then erased for the purposes of mainly male confusions, drives and desires.

Which other human grouping would you expect to take this sort of appropriation lying down?

The statistics for who supports what are changingv rapidly in the light of increased public awareness and knowledeg of what gender identity theory ends up meaning in practice. when people arer fully aware they do not support it at all. not once you get out of the university campus bubble that many activists seem to reside in.

Yes nothavingit language is a very important tool. Isn’t it?

Chersfrozenface · 23/02/2023 10:59

FanFckingTastic · 23/02/2023 10:43

The pictures of this (rather odd looking) man wearing these beautiful, original dresses is pretty damning. They are not the kind of frocks that one buys on the high street. It really does show how utterly deluded this man is that he thought that he could even go to awards evenings, places where he would definitely be noticed and photographed, wearing someone else's things, things that he had stolen.

I doubt whether he knew the Asya Khamsin garments were so identifiable, just thinking they were striking frocks, with the added frisson of being previously worn by an actual woman.

Asya has only just made the connection herself between her baggage being stolen in 2018 and Brinton, after recently seeing a report about the charges of stealing cases belonging to other women at airports.

Rookie error. If you steal, or have stolen for you, an uncommon and easily recognisable object, you don't display in publicly. You don't hang that stolen Vermeer in the atrium of you corporate headquarters or lobby of your mansion.

NotHavingIt · 23/02/2023 10:51

suggestionsplease1 · 23/02/2023 08:04

There seems be an obsession with makes in this, when actually surveys consistently show greater support for trans rights amongst women.

It's a special kind of misogyny that considers all these women as 'handmaidens' who are clearly influenced by men. As if we all can't make our own minds up on the issues FFS 🙄

You use the word 'obsession' to belittle at the upsurge in strong feeling among many people; especially women, that their very integrity as a specific grouping/type of human being is being colonised, appropriated and then erased for the purposes of mainly male confusions, drives and desires.

Which other human grouping would you expect to take this sort of appropriation lying down?

The statistics for who supports what are changingv rapidly in the light of increased public awareness and knowledeg of what gender identity theory ends up meaning in practice. when people arer fully aware they do not support it at all. not once you get out of the university campus bubble that many activists seem to reside in.

Beowulfa · 23/02/2023 10:50

I love imagining what lurkers think when they read some of the deranged ramblings on here.

There are an estimated 13 million pet dogs in the UK, and another 12 million approx pet cats.

That's an awful lot of people who've paid for neutering/spaying but have never been presented with a third option by their vet.

Or is it just humans that magically no longer have a sex binary, despite Homo sapiens uniquely amongst mammals?

ZombieMumEB · 23/02/2023 10:46

GrabbyGabby · 23/02/2023 08:48

And, have you ever seen Joe Biden parading with a butch lesbian for diversity credibility points? Nope, only creepy ass men wearing clothes that no woman in public life would be permitted to.

The double standards we are expected to swallow are nauseating. The blatant misogyny is off the fucking scale.

^ This 100%

FanFckingTastic · 23/02/2023 10:43

The pictures of this (rather odd looking) man wearing these beautiful, original dresses is pretty damning. They are not the kind of frocks that one buys on the high street. It really does show how utterly deluded this man is that he thought that he could even go to awards evenings, places where he would definitely be noticed and photographed, wearing someone else's things, things that he had stolen.

NotHavingIt · 23/02/2023 10:43

suggestionsplease1 · 23/02/2023 07:53

The analogy with hostile focus on a characteristic of a group eg, sexuality, gender identity, paired with behavioural expectations of that minority group is accurate.

This board often makes our they are the adults in the room, the older generation who knows better...but don't you remember what happened in the 80s when to be a lesbian was to be considered an especial risk to children? And yes there were indeed some lesbian abuse stories. Just as there are stories about criminality of trans people, and of course every other demographic out there.

What short memories you must have!

The difference is that 'gender identity' is a recently constructed term and category - and there is no clear definition as to what it means or implies. It cannot be measured or seen. It exists in the confused space that has arisen through conflating the facts of biological sex with the post-modernistic concept of 'gender performativity' in which everything is the mere performance of social stereotypes and roles as they relate to sex. Male and Female.

'Queer Theory' arises from post modernistic ideas that there is no truth and no reality other than that which one defines for oneself. This is a very radical idea, and one that does not sit comfortably with the facts of human life and society on Planet Earth - where biological sex and all that stems from that is very real the world over, and in all of the animal kingdom too.

Being gay or lesbian does not suggest that biology is meaningless; what it implies is an attracton to people of one's own sex. That is as about as radical as it gets. Same sex attracted people are not trying to re-write the rules for everyone else, nor impose upon them an ideology that rooted in individual feeling, fantasy or whim.

In attempting to 'queer' society with radical transgressions of one sort or another you can only expect a back-lash and push back. This is not consensual. And from the increasing nuber of examples ( especially those that make it into the popular media) it is becoming very clear that those who attracted to deviant and transgressive sexual practices tend also to be attracted by the 'license to flaunt' that queer theory gives them.

EsmaCannonball · 23/02/2023 10:37

Anyone wanging on about third gametes or mammalian sex being non-binary is a biological essentialist.

And Sam Brinton is still a thieving perve.

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2023 10:29

NotHavingIt · 23/02/2023 10:21

"For over two years, I sat on a couch and endured emotionally painful sessions with a counselor. I was told that my faith community rejected my sexuality; that I was the abomination we had heard about in Sunday school; that I was the only gay person in the world; that it was inevitable I would get H.I.V. and AIDS.'

Samuel also told of how their mother found them standing on the roof and told them she would love him again if he just changed. ( into women's clothing?) 🤔

'[That] is not the thing to say to a person standing on the edge of a building,' they said. 'So I run back into my mom's arms saying: "You know what? I'm changed! It's done. Epiphany from God."

www.losangelesblade.com/2022/12/09/sam-brinton-a-story-too-good-to-be-true/

'Is Sam Brinton a fabulist or a legitimate survivor? After twelve years, I can’t definitively say, although the totality of the evidence is troubling. However, that’s not the point. Brinton should never have been given a platform by national LGBTQ organizations without having crucial details of their story confirmed'

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lechiffre55 · 23/02/2023 10:28

It's a fetish on full display. The guy is clearly a narcissist who takes what he wants without regard for his victims. This is also about control. He believes he has the right to control women, and what they think about it doesn't matter in the slightest. Do women even have thoughts? He could have these clothes custom made. Take a good seamstress photos of what you want and they'll make it for you. But that wouldn't give him the thrill of knowing he's wearing a real woman's stolen clothes.
I'm wondering if the fact the clothes belong to a real women is some form of validation for him. Forcing people to validate gender seems to be a very high priority for a certain type of trans identifying MtF individual. How much more forced could validation be than literally taking it from women against their will and without consent. That's control too. I think part of the control motive stems from resentment. He knows he's not a woman, that's one of the reasons validation is so important, you need others to help you convince yourself what is not true. That causes resentment. A woman is a woman with no effort, it's given to them on a plate, triggering Sam's resentment and entitlement, yet Sam makes all this effort and isn't accepted as a woman in the same way. He's wearing real women's clothes with the magic real woman essence all over them, that essence must make Sam a real woman surely? That's why he steals. New clothes won't have the real woman essence in them that being worn by a woman infuses. New clothes won't do, hence the need to steal.
Taking property or sex against a victim's will is a very male way to deal with issues. Getting angry and solving that anger by taking actions against another person based on force or control is a very male male solution to an emotional problem. Sam's behaviour is very male. He could join a sewing class and make his own garments in the presence of women. Ironically this would probably get him far more validation by consentually socialisng with women in that sort of setting. Women would probably help him and have input into the clothes he made. But that would be a very female way of solving the issue, and Sam is male. Sam's magical womanly essence is very male in it's nature. That's because he's a man.
I feel devastated for the women discovering now that their luggage and clothes werent't simply misplaced or lost, but stolen by this man. It must be very invasive and violating for them to find out they are just props in a the fantasies of an entitled narcissistic male fetishist. But they are only women, who cares what they think, and they didn't have to do anything to achieve womanhood so they deserve it too. Right Sam?
Lets not even get started on the AGP shall we........

mirax · 23/02/2023 10:27

Anactor · 23/02/2023 08:48

"But a simple explanation that is wrong would be worse, wouldn't it?"

Actually, no. We use simple explanations that are 'wrong' all the time. Light doesn't really travel in straight lines, but it works for everyday purposes. Newtonian mechanics has been superseded by Einsteinian physics, but the Newtonian laws still get used a lot.

If you want to replace a simple explanation with a more complex one, normal practice is to prove that the more complex explanation provides the better description of reality. That's what happened with 'wavy light' and 'Einsteinian physics'.

Otherwise, you're just replacing something that works well enough with an unproven theory. Or, in your case, with an unproven theory where the current evidence is against it.

Exactly. I teach secondary school chemistry but hadn't kept up with the new biology and when the initial claims of sex as a spectrum were made, read the literature and found very thin ideological gruel rather than substantive advances in biological knowledge.

Datun · 23/02/2023 10:24

GrabbyGabby · 23/02/2023 10:11

I have a physical, visceral response to this dude. He is the poster boy for things that make my skin crawl.

We have these responses for a reason. They are to help keep us safe.

Stonewall have created a trans umbrella that is so wide it not only makes room for these creeps, it positively ushers them in and celebrates their stunning bravery.

We point this out, we are called transphobic and bigoted and told we are the problem.

How many of these fuckers do there need to be before we are no longer scolded?

Yes, I agree that's all part of it. He wears his creepiness like a celebration and a challenge.

Look how creepy I am, and you can't stop me, I'm lauded for it.

Men's distain of women really is becoming so overt they are getting backslaps all around for demonstrating it.

NotHavingIt · 23/02/2023 10:21

"For over two years, I sat on a couch and endured emotionally painful sessions with a counselor. I was told that my faith community rejected my sexuality; that I was the abomination we had heard about in Sunday school; that I was the only gay person in the world; that it was inevitable I would get H.I.V. and AIDS.'

Samuel also told of how their mother found them standing on the roof and told them she would love him again if he just changed. ( into women's clothing?) 🤔

'[That] is not the thing to say to a person standing on the edge of a building,' they said. 'So I run back into my mom's arms saying: "You know what? I'm changed! It's done. Epiphany from God."

GrabbyGabby · 23/02/2023 10:11

I have a physical, visceral response to this dude. He is the poster boy for things that make my skin crawl.

We have these responses for a reason. They are to help keep us safe.

Stonewall have created a trans umbrella that is so wide it not only makes room for these creeps, it positively ushers them in and celebrates their stunning bravery.

We point this out, we are called transphobic and bigoted and told we are the problem.

How many of these fuckers do there need to be before we are no longer scolded?

Zeugma · 23/02/2023 10:09

Oh, that pesky justice system and its hostile obsession with putting people on trial charged with stealing suitcases containing designer clothes! 🤪

NotHavingIt · 23/02/2023 10:06

ElonsMusky · 15/02/2023 20:52

what does their non binary status have to do with anything?

Clearly, the whole isue of gender identity and ideology is a major cultural and social topic at present, and from that there arises conflicts and disputes over the nature of reality, biology, the facts of the sexed body; and how all of that impacts upon the rights and protections afforded to women and girls, particularly.

That Sam Brinton uses the term 'non binary' to indicate a very specific kind of identity - and in such a very prominent and public facing role - obviously highlights all of the above in the public mind.

It is clear that this person is not only confused but also struggles with disordered thinking/ a fetish, that leads him to steal women's suitcases and and then appropriate their clothing for his own needs and desires. He also does this in a very public way. He is not stealing women's underwear from the washing line and using the items in private; he is targeting specific women at airports and then wearing their clothes in a very ostentatious and one might say exhbitionist way. He is flaunting his fetish to the public.

I read that he claimed he was disowned by his parents for being bisexual ( I suggest he is simply gay - but saying bisexual affords some measure of validation for 'cis heteronormativity') and subjected to conversion therapy, though some of his claims have been disputed. He is clearly struggling with intense internal contradictions of the sort that lead him not only to criminality, but also to highlight the deep confusion that now permeates American society, when it comes to matters of sex, 'gender identity' and sexual orientation.

This 'queering' of society has some deep and dark down-sides.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 23/02/2023 09:56

Thanks!

He could definitely afford to buy his own bikinis.

Just like Brinton can afford his own frocks.

Helleofabore · 23/02/2023 09:56

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 23/02/2023 09:41

I’m not sure exactly where I stand on the concept of cultural appropriation personally* but presumably the circles Brinton moves in at least pretend to care about it?

Because this is surely a most obvious and egregious example of taking the aesthetic of someone else’s culture and being lauded for it without that person or their culture receiving any acknowledgement or credit?

He literal STOLE Asyaki Hamsin’s designs and paraded them about at events with guests who are at pinnacle of world politics!

Reposting Hamsin’s twitter to try and restore some of the balance - her designs should have her name attached (I hope the increased public profile results in good things for her mid and long term although I suspect it will be stressful in the short term).

twitter.com/asyakhamsin1

*Personal view is that like with a lot of intersectional topics something that was once welll-intentioned and based on an observable phenomenon has gone monstrously out of control and is now used disingenuously to deepen divisions and claim personal capitall rather than facilitate cross cultural understanding and mutual respect

I did not think of that appropriation aspect!

DerekFaker · 23/02/2023 09:55

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 23/02/2023 09:08

Lots of maladaptive sexual behaviours and paraphilias have an element of impulsivity/risk taking.

I’m sure this kind of thing in combination (kleptomania, crossdressing, exhibitionism) has been observed in ye olde sexology case studies - the exact sorts of case studies that the kinkandqueer activists attack researchers over. Very unfashionable studies.

What was the name of that serial killing military dude who had loads of photos of himself in Women’s bikinis and underwear sets, photos taken when he’d broken into their houses to steal their clothes?

Colonel Russell Williams.

www.smh.com.au/world/secret-life-of-crossdressing-killer-colonel-revealed-20101019-16rt2.html

DerekFaker · 23/02/2023 09:50

Happylittlechicken · 23/02/2023 08:24

Well love. Let’s break it down. Each human being is a male or a female. There are no other sexes. And before you waffle on about people with DSD… no. They are not some other sex, they are male and female with heath issues, and to claim otherwise is frankly insulting and offensive So unless you have access to some super secret research that proves there is actually a third sex. Shhhhh child

Indeed.

Non-binary Sam Brinton in court soon
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