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Non-binary Sam Brinton in court soon

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ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 19:56

news.yahoo.com/nonbinary-former-biden-official-sam-165656140.html

'Brinton faces up to 10 years in prison for the alleged theft of the bag'

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mrshoho · 16/02/2023 08:27

suggestionsplease1 · 16/02/2023 08:19

These threads are totally pathetic.

Imagine being on another site with a board obsessed over an ethnicity or a sexuality where posters started thread after thread...

'Lesbian Gemma D in court for...'
"Lesbian Sarah C arrested over..'
'Lesbian Ann T convicted for the...'
'Lesbian Ella S sentenced to 10 years for..'

So how should Brinton be addressed by the courts, press, this board? Perhaps you could explain what the rules and etiquette are regarding people who identify as non binary again as it's rather hard to keep up. Should we just be saying human?

suggestionsplease1 · 16/02/2023 08:19

These threads are totally pathetic.

Imagine being on another site with a board obsessed over an ethnicity or a sexuality where posters started thread after thread...

'Lesbian Gemma D in court for...'
"Lesbian Sarah C arrested over..'
'Lesbian Ann T convicted for the...'
'Lesbian Ella S sentenced to 10 years for..'

howmanybicycles · 16/02/2023 08:19

Helleofabore · 16/02/2023 08:09

I think the headline is standard in that it is still common to use ‘Man who’ or ‘Woman who’ in the title. They obviously cannot do that. So instead they use the chosen gender description.

They could have easily used ‘LGBTQ+ activist’ in the headline, or something similar because Brinton made this very much a prominent part of their profile.

Bonkers that they can't though when man is a biological statement and this person is a man. Journalists have no problem reporting about what is happening to women in Afghanistan despite never having asked them whether they all 'identify as women'. They need to decid which meaning of the terma man and woman they are using.

EmpressaurusOfCats · 16/02/2023 08:09

Are we training women to ignore very clear and obvious danger signals in the name of diversity & inclusion?

Of course we are. There are the universities that have signs up in the ‘women’s’ toilets telling women students that if they see a man in there they have to ‘be kind’ and not challenge them.

Helleofabore · 16/02/2023 08:09

I think the headline is standard in that it is still common to use ‘Man who’ or ‘Woman who’ in the title. They obviously cannot do that. So instead they use the chosen gender description.

They could have easily used ‘LGBTQ+ activist’ in the headline, or something similar because Brinton made this very much a prominent part of their profile.

smileladiesplease · 16/02/2023 08:03

Oh just seen 'rubbing her bean!'

Yeuk what a horrible expression

GrabbyGabby · 16/02/2023 07:59

This dude brought me back to Mayas essay in response to the Radical Nation hit piece. She said
"So too is the ability to mock and laugh (which is a means of saying that something isn’t right). None of this should be forbidden."

I was not in alignment with this, i dont think we can have it both ways, say that clothes are just clothes, and then ridicule gender non conforming people because for whatever reason they don't carry it off particularly well.

But those pictures of the delightful Sam being very pleased with theyself in stilettos and lipstick. My first reaction wasnt to snigger, my first reaction was to see they as a threat, someone i would not be comfortable being in close quarters with.

Is this prejudice speaking? Maybe. It is certainly something i actively monitor and challenge myself on. Or is it just the well honed spidey senses that have served me pretty well in keeping me safe from dangerous men?

Are we training women to ignore very clear and obvious danger signals in the name of diversity & inclusion?

ArabellaScott · 16/02/2023 07:56

There has been at least one case of pregnancy in a US jail resulting from their being mixed sex, as well as sexual assaults. Depends on the state, I believe, what the policy is. I wonder where Sam would go to prison if Sam is convicted?

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SunnieShine · 16/02/2023 07:54

AlisonDonut · 15/02/2023 20:55

Is 'non-binary' a status? How so?

No how. Its a complete nonsense.

mrshoho · 16/02/2023 07:52

scratchedbymycat · 15/02/2023 23:53

What a totally weird post. This is the 'sex and gender discussions' section of MN. What do you think gets discussed here?

It is weird and just further proof of the absurdity of gender ideology that has been forced upon us. We're told to respect, acknowledge and always use the gender identity and pronouns of a person's choice. But now we're being criticised for acknowledging and reporting them accurately. What should have happened here then Elon? Should he have been addressed as a man/male? Or are you really suggesting his identity should just not be reported?

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 16/02/2023 07:51

Sam is one of those names that can be a man's or a woman's, so clarifying that this particular Sam is n-b is useful for anyone who has no idea who they are.

Helleofabore · 16/02/2023 07:44

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Why would Brinton’s former position be more or less relevant than Brinton’s gender identity?

Helleofabore · 16/02/2023 07:41

ElonsMusky · 15/02/2023 20:52

what does their non binary status have to do with anything?

How about so no one misgenders Sam and gets their posts deleted.

SinnerBoy · 16/02/2023 07:38

HermioneWeasley · Yesterday 22:23

ElonsMusky if the thrill is in the stealing, why is it only women’s clothes/suitcases he’s taken? Why not any men’s? Why hasn’t he been caught stealing groceries? Why are you so desperate to find an explanation other than the obvious?

Because he's ultra special and needs love and support and must not be punished, or have an accurate description of his crimes, in case it leads to more Literal Violence and Trans Genocide, I think...

GrabbyGabby · 16/02/2023 07:38

So, do we think they would have stolen several suitcases full of womens clothing if they was not non binary?

I think theirs proclamation of non binariness is very relevant to the crime and the time.

smileladiesplease · 16/02/2023 07:34

The killer of Rachel Nickell the bastard that is Robert Napper started his offending stealing womens clothes.

Florissant · 16/02/2023 07:26

Regarding the attempts to derail the thread, the scroll button is useful.

Florissant · 16/02/2023 07:26

Brinton is accused (and there is video footage of the second theft) of stealing women's suitcases from airports. His lawyer said that none of the clothing has been recovered.

The amount of money involved is significant so, if found guilty of the charges, Brinton will be a felon.

And, yes. Brinton made his non-binary status a central point of his identity so it is relevant.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 16/02/2023 06:57

Notanotherone5 · 15/02/2023 22:54

Would you post a thread titled Bisexual John Smith in court soon? If not, why is this thread acceptable?

If it was a board discussing LGBTQIA2S++ people in the news, yes.

But this board is sex and gender discussions, so yes they’s non binary status is relevant.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 16/02/2023 06:54

ElonsMusky · 15/02/2023 20:52

what does their non binary status have to do with anything?

It’s what makes they a relevant topic for the sex and gender board, as opposed to general politics or the style section.

Blister · 16/02/2023 05:50

howmanybicycles · 16/02/2023 00:33

Oh I see. Yes very relevant given current debates though prisons really are segregated by sex not identity. There are many female who don't identify as women and they're still in women's prisons.

It is currently not factual to categorically state that prisons are segregated by sex not identity.

Men's prisons are mostly single sex. Women's are more of a melting pot- neither single sex nor single gender.

Prisons are intended to be segregated by sex. You are correct, there are the women who identify as men, who are mostly imprisoned with women. But there are also men who identify as women, who can also be found in women's prisons. This is now common knowledge after the recent reverse ferret of the Scottish prison service which has resulted in men already in women's prisons staying there but they made quite a splash about not accepting new ones by default.
But you already know this, so you've been waiting for someone to point out the obvious so you could play a "gotcha". Please do tell.

mirax · 16/02/2023 02:30

EsmaCannonball · 15/02/2023 21:52

There's nothing gender diverse about creepy men stealing women's clothes. It's rather typical male-pattern sexually-motivated criminal behaviour. He's a Benny Hill character, not the Che Guevara of diversity. Maybe his non-binary-ness made him too ladylike to clamber over a garden fence in the middle of the night so he went for the more brazen airport carousel option? Who knows?

Exactly this.

howmanybicycles · 16/02/2023 00:33

OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 16/02/2023 00:13

I think his ‘non-binary’ identification is very relevant.
If he gets sent to prison, which one will it be?

Male?

Female?

Male prison every second day, Female every other day?

Week on/week off Male and Female?

Or is there a ‘non-binary’ prison, where inmates can chose their clothes and pronouns according to their feelings of the day/or reject all binary delineations and remain neutral?

Or will he simply be let off a custodial sentence as his ‘non-binariness’ makes it too difficult to decide which prison is appropriate, or even that it makes it reasonable for him to have stolen these items?

He made being trans his persona, it is definitely relevant going forward.

Oh I see. Yes very relevant given current debates though prisons really are segregated by sex not identity. There are many female who don't identify as women and they're still in women's prisons.

CanadianReader · 16/02/2023 00:24

This guy has stolen a few suitcases. The first time he was caught, it was brushed off. After the third, they arrested him and fired him. His being non-binary is a big part of this since the Non-binaries were so proud to have him as a representative but now that's gone south. Well off man going around stealing women's luggage seems like some sort of mental illness or fetish.

OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 16/02/2023 00:13

I think his ‘non-binary’ identification is very relevant.
If he gets sent to prison, which one will it be?

Male?

Female?

Male prison every second day, Female every other day?

Week on/week off Male and Female?

Or is there a ‘non-binary’ prison, where inmates can chose their clothes and pronouns according to their feelings of the day/or reject all binary delineations and remain neutral?

Or will he simply be let off a custodial sentence as his ‘non-binariness’ makes it too difficult to decide which prison is appropriate, or even that it makes it reasonable for him to have stolen these items?

He made being trans his persona, it is definitely relevant going forward.