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STURGEON IS QUITTING

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Clymene · 15/02/2023 09:59

Just seen on BBC headlines

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ArabellaScott · 16/02/2023 22:44

'The SNP's newly elected Westminster leader Stephen Flynn, who replaced Ian Blackford following his resignation in December, told Sky News: "I'll indeed not be standing."'

Thank fuck.

Vebrithien · 16/02/2023 22:35

Waitwhat23 · 16/02/2023 22:29

It seems only those who had a membership before the 15th of this month....

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/16/snp-split-who-can-vote-nicola-sturgeons-successor/

Oh, crapola.

Lots of hundred of miles away too, but could always have hoped they'd accept me 😚

LexMitior · 16/02/2023 22:30

Man, every second Tuesday

Waitwhat23 · 16/02/2023 22:29

It seems only those who had a membership before the 15th of this month....

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/16/snp-split-who-can-vote-nicola-sturgeons-successor/

Vebrithien · 16/02/2023 22:28

Does one have to live in Scotland to join?

The joining form has "gender" not sex. There is the option to self described. Woman, adult human female?

ArabellaScott · 16/02/2023 22:27

Good.

SerenaVanDerWoodsenHumphrey · 16/02/2023 22:26

Swinny rules himself out for SNP Leader: https://twitter.com/JohnSwinney/status/1626341091518689286

(I'd screenshot, but he's quite long-winded!)

ArabellaScott · 16/02/2023 22:25

An individual can join for £1 a month.

Any women who feel like joining on the chance we might get to put Ash Regan in place ...

www.snp.org/join/member/

ArabellaScott · 16/02/2023 22:25

😂

LexMitior · 16/02/2023 22:24

@CryptoFascistMadameCholet - they have a pay 600k in installments option

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 16/02/2023 22:22

Oh!

Gotta be worth joining now and keeping fingers crossed that when the eligibility rules are published you are already in?

Do they have a pay monthly option? If so, can always cancel the payment!

ArabellaScott · 16/02/2023 22:19

If we join now, will we be eligible to vote, can anyone tell me?

ArabellaScott · 16/02/2023 22:18

Ooh.

'Ash Regan, the minister who spearheaded the biggest rebellion in SNP history when she resigned her community safety post to oppose Sturgeon’s bill, has told friends she is likely to run for the leadership. She urged former SNP members who quit over Sturgeon’s stance on transgender rights to rejoin the party and participate in the election.'

CryInToYourCornflakesNicola · 16/02/2023 21:56

ArabellaScott · 16/02/2023 13:46

𝖉𝖆𝖗𝖐 𝖋𝖔𝖗𝖈𝖊𝖘 𝖍𝖆𝖛𝖊 𝖐𝖎𝖉𝖓𝖆𝖕𝖕𝖊𝖉 𝖈𝖔𝖒𝖎𝖈 𝖘𝖆𝖓𝖘

Hang on, we can have bigly letters AND different fonts, dark forces indeed.

Wanders off muttering to self about how to be in the dark forces, as has deffo already joined bigly letters, might even have been arabella who let me in the bigly letter club.

Workerbeep · 16/02/2023 21:37

@SerenaVanDerWoodsenHumphrey i think you make some very good points here on faith and ideology.

Waitwhat23 · 16/02/2023 21:32

Shauny Boy dusted off the red suit and wig -

'If Sturgeon's resignation was honest'

twitter.com/shiny02/status/1626151902412181504?s=20

SerenaVanDerWoodsenHumphrey · 16/02/2023 21:26

Jumping back to Kate Forbes for a moment - Ian Blackford, until recently SNP leader at Westminster, is also Free Church. He has seemed to tow the Sturgeon-mandated SNP "progressive" line, and until recently when he was removed, rumours of discord have mostly been about him wanting to allow more dissent and diversity of thought than Sturgeon wanted.

There was a small kerfuffle after the UK Parliament voted through a raft of policies for NI including same sex marriage and limited abortion rights, during the period when NI had no functional government/parliament. Tabloids claimed that Blackford's church (the individual church he attended, not the denomination) had asked to speak with him about his vote FOR the bill. Blackford refused to comment, and the church quickly went silent, saying it was a private matter. Forbes was asked about the NI vote (hypothetical, as she's an MSP not an MP) and said she'd have abstained because the UK shouldn't legislate for NI in devolved matters. (Which was originally Sturgeon's position, although in the end she did allow a free vote.)

IF Forbes does enter the leadership race, I think the key is whether she's willing to say that as FM (and SNP leader) she would, if needed, be able to put aside personal views on (for example) abortion provision and support or even champion a policy at odds with her faith. She has previously said that she's in politics to represent her constituents not to push her own beliefs - but as others have said, there's a big difference between voting the party line when whipped, and being influential in setting the party line. If she does stand, I'm sure she'll be asked detailed questions on this at hustings and by the press.

I don't want to put words in Forbes's mouth, or Blackford's, so let's say some hypothetical candidate emerges who actually DOES say "I want to reduce abortion rights and limit same sex marriage". I would not personally vote for this position, BUT is it different in principle to Patrick Harvie's or Mhari Black's deeply heartfelt promises to remove and criminalise women's spaces and services ? Or Rishi Sunak's or Boris Johnson's to uphold hypercapitalism at all costs? Historically we've viewed faith as distinct from ideology, but if people like Harvie literally CANNOT listen to and consider another view, are faith and ideology (in this case) relevantly different in the way they impact constituents, and the country?

Anactor · 16/02/2023 20:10

Hmmm… do you think Mike Russell has heard of the ‘sunk cost fallacy’? Because it doesn’t just apply to money.

ResisterRex · 16/02/2023 19:34

And what's the legacy to build on? Failing education system? The ferries contract? Pushing through the demented bottle recycling scheme?

ArabellaScott · 16/02/2023 19:31

JFC, Mike Russell. Foolish, aye?

ResisterRex · 16/02/2023 19:30

Good Lord:

SNP president Mike Russell warns it would be “foolish” to ditch Nicola Sturgeon’s trans policies

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0729010a-adf0-11ed-91ef-347dcf6a25f6?shareToken=7e340d6ac34e89f376ed9568b12bef1a

Basically saying: "this thing that brought down our leader...let's do some more of it"

hryllilegur · 16/02/2023 18:56

Sugarfree23 · 16/02/2023 18:05

Caught the 'traffic report' on the radio that wisnae a traffic report, going on about NS resignation speech, remember all those times she said she wanted to be judged on what she's done for Education, not a mention of Education in the speech!

Well… it’s not really something you’d want to be drawing attention to in sturgeon’s shoes.

There was probably a long list of elephants she was going to refuse to acknowledge in her solipsistic speech.

Sugarfree23 · 16/02/2023 18:05

Caught the 'traffic report' on the radio that wisnae a traffic report, going on about NS resignation speech, remember all those times she said she wanted to be judged on what she's done for Education, not a mention of Education in the speech!

SinnerBoy · 16/02/2023 17:55

Hoardasurass · Today 17:47

Not sure if this has been posted yet but

Very dry!

SinnerBoy · 16/02/2023 17:53

If she had been more worried about women being put off entering a bathroom because of levels of abuse...

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