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STURGEON IS QUITTING

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Clymene · 15/02/2023 09:59

Just seen on BBC headlines

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CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/02/2023 14:31

Just adding this quote from the Cheshire police statement - please don’t bring Brianna’s tragic death up in a thread about Nicola Sturgeon’s resignation.
It’s disrespectful to Brianna’s family and could undermine the justice process.

STURGEON IS QUITTING
C8H10N4O2 · 15/02/2023 14:26

hongkongmum · 15/02/2023 13:52

I’d love to see a tiny % of the anger here towards NS for the decision with prisons towards the Tory party for the shambles they have created with the court system which means rapists aren’t prosecuted and the Met Police are a disgrace. That’s a far bigger threat to women than trans people are.

Are you aware that the nature of the corroboration law in Scotland makes it significantly harder to get a conviction for rape than under English law?

I would entirely agree that its a shambles in England and Wales but even with a functioning court system Scottish law puts higher barriers to justice for victims.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 15/02/2023 14:25

I hate it when people feel the need to name call

I do too, and if she hadn't felt the need to call people like me racists, homophobes and transphobes then I'd feel less inclined to call her names back. Just as well she resigned, she was losing the plot towards the end. Though I did enormously admire her performance not using any pronouns at all for Isla Bryson and sticking to "the individual" and "the rapist". I couldn't have done it!

Sundayvibes · 15/02/2023 14:25

Floisme · 15/02/2023 10:02

Fabulous and thoroughly deserved.

Dare I ask who's taking over Shock

Ian krankie

ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 14:24

That is a very interesting article.

ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 14:22

www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2023/02/nicola-sturgeon-used-and-discarded/

'The main cause of bad government performance was Sturgeon’s compulsion to sideline all people of real talent in the SNP, and surround herself only with the extremely mediocre, who would never challenge her.'

Iceysuperslide · 15/02/2023 14:22

She has been forced out before being ousted it’s better for the actual survival of the SNP. If you are against independence then actually it’s a bad day as she was destroying them from within.

Christmasisshit · 15/02/2023 14:21

Brilliant news. She has done a lot of damage to women's and children's rights and has not helped trans identifying individuals one iota. And lets not talk about her finances and what she did to Alex Salmond. She's dodgy as.

oldwhyno · 15/02/2023 14:20

Fan-Feckin-Dabi-Dozi

ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 14:19

hongkongmum · 15/02/2023 13:52

I’d love to see a tiny % of the anger here towards NS for the decision with prisons towards the Tory party for the shambles they have created with the court system which means rapists aren’t prosecuted and the Met Police are a disgrace. That’s a far bigger threat to women than trans people are.

I'm in Scotland, the Met police, while clearly awful, are not my priority. Nor are they anything to do with Nicola Sturgeon's success or failure as First Minister, frankly.

Bitofhelpoverhere · 15/02/2023 14:18

hongkongmum · 15/02/2023 13:31

You may disagree with her but she is trying to get this difficult issue right. A teenager trans girl was murdered this week. Isn’t it time to take some of the heat and the hatred out of this debate and focus on being kind and treating people with dignity?

Isn’t trying to link our reasonable position that people should be free to live their lives as they choose, but in certain situations sex matters and that needs to be respected, with the appalling murder of a young person, introducing hate into the debate?

Darnley · 15/02/2023 14:18

Yaaaaay.

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 15/02/2023 14:18

She led Scotland through COVID in an a way that Labour and Tories could only dream of

While I'm not a member of either party, I really doubt many people in either wish they'd had harsher and longer restrictions than elsewhere in the UK for similarly bad outcomes.

scratchedbymycat · 15/02/2023 14:17

Topsyturvy78 · 15/02/2023 12:52

Am I the only one on here that likes her? She's not our PM but she was great during the pandemic. I would have swapped her for BoJo anyday. Couldn't have worse

I always felt that her COVID responses had more to do with what Westminster was or wasn't doing to try and trying to show them up. Just as the GRR bill was seized on as an example of how 'oppressed' Scotland is. It's always always about Independence. That's the Number 1 priority over things like jobs, health, education, rights anything. For that reason, I'm glad she's gone. And I hope her absence weakens the party, the SNP loses seats, and Scotland can get back to actually focussing on issues that matter.

ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 14:17

I just noted in her speech she addresses 'all the people of Scotland, whether you voted for me, or not'

FFS, Nicola. People voted for MSPs or for a party. Other than the people of Pollokshields, they weren't voting for you.

ResisterRex · 15/02/2023 14:17

hongkongmum · 15/02/2023 13:52

I’d love to see a tiny % of the anger here towards NS for the decision with prisons towards the Tory party for the shambles they have created with the court system which means rapists aren’t prosecuted and the Met Police are a disgrace. That’s a far bigger threat to women than trans people are.

Some murderers that SNP policies were "kind" to. Not the women, mind:

Four of five trans inmates in women’s prisons are murderers

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2d7e9ec8-acba-11ed-bfe8-f09d3c021ab0?shareToken=ccae618e6fe44b1bd64c1914c7afdd60

Sorry are we Being Angry Wrong?

LastTrainEast · 15/02/2023 14:12

hongkongmum · 15/02/2023 13:52

I’d love to see a tiny % of the anger here towards NS for the decision with prisons towards the Tory party for the shambles they have created with the court system which means rapists aren’t prosecuted and the Met Police are a disgrace. That’s a far bigger threat to women than trans people are.

You would see that anger and women fighting to redress it going on every day if you were not just copying from the trans ally manual.

Go and look for yourself. Research instead of just following.

You might start with the trans baby rapist who said he wanted to be in a women's prison with a mother and baby unit and they let him to be kind to him.

SinnerBoy · 15/02/2023 14:11

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · Today 14:09

I know, I’m just having fun.

Ah, I is like well fick, man, innit?

TransportedCarla · 15/02/2023 14:10

So glad NS has resigned. Brilliant news.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/02/2023 14:09

SinnerBoy · 15/02/2023 14:06

I’d check the style section before making such a bold statement - the Mumsnetters over there are brutal.

I meant on this thread...

I know, I’m just having fun.
Nicola does have a rather idiosyncratic taste in skirt suits tho.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 15/02/2023 14:06

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/02/2023 14:04

I’d check the style section before making such a bold statement - the Mumsnetters over there are brutal.

When Kate Middleton wears a dropped waist coat dress shit gets real

Bitofhelpoverhere · 15/02/2023 14:06

hongkongmum · 15/02/2023 13:52

I’d love to see a tiny % of the anger here towards NS for the decision with prisons towards the Tory party for the shambles they have created with the court system which means rapists aren’t prosecuted and the Met Police are a disgrace. That’s a far bigger threat to women than trans people are.

Firstly, trans women aren’t the threat, men are. Men are potential threats regardless of any other characteristic they have, including gender identity. That is why all men need to be kept out. If you haven’t understood that our argument is about the threat men present, you haven’t understood our position at all.

Secondly, this issue matters so much as at its heart it is about whether or not our society regards women and girls as being entitled to the most basic human rights. If women can be locked up with men, required to share bedrooms and sleeping space with men, required to get undressed in front of men ( as the young women on the beauty course with the rapist Isla were), required to discuss sexual trauma in front of men, and even more than that, are shamed and ostracized if they refuse, then women and girls are not regarded as being entitled to the most basic human rights and dignity. And if we aren’t seen as worthy of that, we can never be equal or advance our rights in society.

This debate is essentially one over the worth, and level of humanity, that women and girls are seen as having in society. That is why it is so crucial.

SinnerBoy · 15/02/2023 14:06

I’d check the style section before making such a bold statement - the Mumsnetters over there are brutal.

I meant on this thread...

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/02/2023 14:04

SinnerBoy · 15/02/2023 14:01

I don't think that anyone here has criticised her appearance, although I'm happy to be corrected?

I’d check the style section before making such a bold statement - the Mumsnetters over there are brutal.

BellaAmorosa · 15/02/2023 14:03

@giggly and @Squamata
One poster said "Ding, dong".
Nobody has criticised her appearance.

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