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STURGEON IS QUITTING

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Clymene · 15/02/2023 09:59

Just seen on BBC headlines

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Bitofhelpoverhere · 15/02/2023 15:09

The media reporting is linking her the GRR to her resignation, which is brilliant.

We really need to capitalise on this to make other parties take note, especially Plaid and Mark Drakeford in Wales.

Wiluli · 15/02/2023 15:07

SuePine73 · 15/02/2023 14:58

@Wiluli

Not to mention she is highly respected abroad and I I’ll be very hard to find someone who can do the same .

They like her in Russia. They call her Beluga.

Don’t be silly ! I actually based that sentence on facts . I travel abroad a lot , I speak and watch teh news on 5 different languages , most European leaders actuou respect her deeply .
Denying it or not liking it doesn’t change that . So unless you are one of those people who believes the U.K. , specially Scotland doesn’t need outside alliances then yes in that sense it’s a big loss .

LadyMary50 · 15/02/2023 15:06

hongkongmum · 15/02/2023 13:31

You may disagree with her but she is trying to get this difficult issue right. A teenager trans girl was murdered this week. Isn’t it time to take some of the heat and the hatred out of this debate and focus on being kind and treating people with dignity?

Nope,being kind has got women nowhere,especially with the ludicrous statements made by trans activists.I think the way they are behaving over a young person being killed and using it for political gain is horrendous.No one knows why this person was killed and for you to speculate is thoughtless and deeply disturbing

Sugarfree23 · 15/02/2023 15:05

Wiluli · 15/02/2023 14:50

Why you are all so happy about this is beyond me. If youvthibk the tories will do a better job for women’s rights you are deluded !! Not to mention she is highly respected abroad and I I’ll be very hard to find someone who can do the same . I guess everyone here is either English or really doesn’t care we stay under English rule for another hundreds of years . They treat us so well 🙄🙄🙄

Well the Tories could hardly do a worse job on women's rights.

I'm definitely not English but I'm 100% glad I was outvoted in the last referendum.

SNP have improved nothing in Scotland absolutely nothing.

Bitofhelpoverhere · 15/02/2023 15:04

BellaAmorosa · 15/02/2023 14:36

www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-self-id-helped-bring-down-nicola-sturgeon/
James Kirkup in The Spectator.

@CryptoFascistMadameCholet
Timely reminder.

This article is very relevant to Wales to. JK talks about how Wales is a small country, the public/ third sector is very small, left wing, everyone knows everyone else and wants to be seen as progressive, and so is very easy to capture. This is exactly what has happened in Wales. Lack of debate and dissent leads to really bad decision making.

MichelleScarn · 15/02/2023 15:03

Wiluli · 15/02/2023 14:59

It seems the only ones celebrating are ranger supporters in Glasgow , if you are like them you can join . I wouldn’t be very proud of it

Not what I've seen or heard, am not from Glasgow, not a Rangers fan at all (am Catholic not that it matters) and I'm happy with her gone.
Are you saying there is a big problem with them just because someone supports Rangers? A football team? Well you're clearly evidence of the sectarian issues in our country to hate or discount someone just because of the football club they like.

Bimbleberries · 15/02/2023 15:02

Wiluli · 15/02/2023 14:57

Yes because finding someone else l be very easy !!

Doesn't matter if it's easy or not - they'll still have to be an SNP person not a Tory! She might ultimately be replaced as FM by a Tory but for now they just need a new leader of the SNP, easy or not.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/02/2023 14:59

Forgive this intrusion but, as a lot if people will be reading this thread, I wonder if in the wake of the gender confusion and chaos recent events in Scotland have revealed, including Lady Haldane’s ruling in the For Women Scotland case, anyone who has not yet done so might like to look at this Parliamentary petition to update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic ‘sex’ is biological, not sex as modified by a Gender Recognition Certificate, and consider signing and sharing it?

Please ignore the Government Response so far, which is on the petition site, saying everything is fine as it is. The meaning of ‘sex ‘ has become confused. See Sex-Matters here:
sex-matters.org/posts/updates/sex-in-the-equality-act/

We need to get 100,000 signatures by 20th April so Parliament will consider a debate.

To sign and the petition,
⬇️
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

Floisme · 15/02/2023 14:59

I would prefer it, Sundayvibes, if you didn't use my posts to make personal comments. Thank you.

Wiluli · 15/02/2023 14:59

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 15/02/2023 14:47

It's a day for joyous celebrating across Scotland. The child sterilising conveyor belts in the Sandyford clinic is being shut down, and the woman who blocked amendments to keep male sex criminals out of women's prisons has resigned.

Can we start hoping that other politicians will take heed, and curb the instincts that have been leading them down the path towards destroying women's rights and child safeguarding.

It seems the only ones celebrating are ranger supporters in Glasgow , if you are like them you can join . I wouldn’t be very proud of it

Baldieheid · 15/02/2023 14:58

hongkongmum · 15/02/2023 13:44

I work in the legal system and agree with you 100% on the threat of male violence towards women. But you can be concerned about that and also kind to trans kids and their families. That doesn’t mean allowing rapists into prisons but it means can we not navigate this issue with some empathy, on both sides and stop fuelling the hatred? How is that a controversial thing to say?

Are you assuming that none of the posters here have familial experience of trans people? Children identifying as trans? Partners suddenly identifying as trans? Are you really assuming nobody here has direct experience?

Mebbe read a bit more, get a feel of the lie of the land, before you start lecturing on here, huh?

SuePine73 · 15/02/2023 14:58

@Wiluli

Not to mention she is highly respected abroad and I I’ll be very hard to find someone who can do the same .

They like her in Russia. They call her Beluga.

Wiluli · 15/02/2023 14:57

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/02/2023 14:52

Nicola has resigned as party leader, she’ll be replaced by another SNP MSP, not a Tory you daft sausage 😂

Yes because finding someone else l be very easy !!

duc748 · 15/02/2023 14:53

Christmasisshit · 15/02/2023 14:21

Brilliant news. She has done a lot of damage to women's and children's rights and has not helped trans identifying individuals one iota. And lets not talk about her finances and what she did to Alex Salmond. She's dodgy as.

Not at all sorry to see her go, and I hope it brings some improvement for women's rights in Scotland, but Alex Salmond is hardly a knight in shining armour.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/02/2023 14:52

Wiluli · 15/02/2023 14:50

Why you are all so happy about this is beyond me. If youvthibk the tories will do a better job for women’s rights you are deluded !! Not to mention she is highly respected abroad and I I’ll be very hard to find someone who can do the same . I guess everyone here is either English or really doesn’t care we stay under English rule for another hundreds of years . They treat us so well 🙄🙄🙄

Nicola has resigned as party leader, she’ll be replaced by another SNP MSP, not a Tory you daft sausage 😂

LadyMary50 · 15/02/2023 14:52

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 15/02/2023 11:37

Lisa, Kier et al, are you watching this? When the ship starts to sink, they’ll throw the biggest ejits off first. And you best believe it’s sinking…

👏👏👏💪💪

Wiluli · 15/02/2023 14:50

Why you are all so happy about this is beyond me. If youvthibk the tories will do a better job for women’s rights you are deluded !! Not to mention she is highly respected abroad and I I’ll be very hard to find someone who can do the same . I guess everyone here is either English or really doesn’t care we stay under English rule for another hundreds of years . They treat us so well 🙄🙄🙄

Cailleach1 · 15/02/2023 14:49

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 15/02/2023 14:25

I hate it when people feel the need to name call

I do too, and if she hadn't felt the need to call people like me racists, homophobes and transphobes then I'd feel less inclined to call her names back. Just as well she resigned, she was losing the plot towards the end. Though I did enormously admire her performance not using any pronouns at all for Isla Bryson and sticking to "the individual" and "the rapist". I couldn't have done it!

I think Sturgeon did use 'her' to refer to Bryson. At a press conference Sturgeon said 'My comments about her, eh the person being a rapist'. Also, at the same press conference Sturgeon said that Bryson 'regards 'herself' as a woman'. Then when asked about that one minute later said that she couldn't remember and that would take the reporter's word for it.

OntarioBagnet · 15/02/2023 14:48

Good. She’s no feminist and caused no end of harm to women.

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 15/02/2023 14:47

It's a day for joyous celebrating across Scotland. The child sterilising conveyor belts in the Sandyford clinic is being shut down, and the woman who blocked amendments to keep male sex criminals out of women's prisons has resigned.

Can we start hoping that other politicians will take heed, and curb the instincts that have been leading them down the path towards destroying women's rights and child safeguarding.

ILikeDungs · 15/02/2023 14:46

James Kirkup:

"How did the most astute and sure-footed politician in Britain manage to trip over on self-ID and end up stammering over the rights of a rapist such as Isla Bryson? I suspect the relatively small scale of Scottish politics plays a part. It’s not a big country and its political class is equally modest. Years of SNP rule in Edinburgh has meanwhile reinforced the walls of a small and insular settlement made up of left-leaning public bodies, charities, campaign groups and other lobbyists, most of them wary of breaking the progressive consensus and offending the party’s ruling cadres. In other words, Scottish politics was easy to capture."

ScissorsPaperStone · 15/02/2023 14:46

giggly · 15/02/2023 14:00

This! From presumably majority of woman.
The GR bill was the only sticking point for me.
she led Scotland through COVID in an a way that Labour and Tories could only dream of.
I hate it when people feel the need to
name call and comment on her appearance.

She "led Scotland through COVID" by doing things a week or two after Boris and having more gravitas in her delivery than BJ. (Let's face it, Mr Tumble has more gravitas than Boris).

Same mistakes were made with care homes and not locking down early enough/too harsh locking down (depending on your viewpoint). And as for the hush up over the Nike conference in Feb in Edinburgh.

I suppose she also managed not to have piss-ups with her staff in the middle of lockdowns. But it's not a high bar to clear, is it?

ILikeDungs · 15/02/2023 14:41

It's just such poetic justice though.

NS forced the GR Reform Bill through just as fast as ever she could, but not so fast that she didn't make sure to squelch the "maybe don't let rapists self-id when being sent to prison" amendment.

And then a rapist went to a women's prison.

And within weeks of the bill passing, she is out. Weeks! Glorious.

I do not think the GRR bill and her resigning are unrelated.

BellaAmorosa · 15/02/2023 14:36

www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-self-id-helped-bring-down-nicola-sturgeon/
James Kirkup in The Spectator.

@CryptoFascistMadameCholet
Timely reminder.

LlynTegid · 15/02/2023 14:35

Just hope it's not John Swinney as the next First Minister.

As for the SNP, in general they are the best argument against Scottish independence.