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STURGEON IS QUITTING

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Clymene · 15/02/2023 09:59

Just seen on BBC headlines

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Waitwhat23 · 15/02/2023 20:45

SidewaysOtter · 15/02/2023 20:26

I often wonder what he’d make of all this trans stuff!

Can you imagine him being told by some HR flunky that he’s got to respect the pronouns of the work experience chap who has decided to identify as a girl named Rebecca and goes by the pronouns ze/zir? It would have been EPIC Grin

Can you imagine the swearing.

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 15/02/2023 20:33

SidewaysOtter · 15/02/2023 20:26

I often wonder what he’d make of all this trans stuff!

Can you imagine him being told by some HR flunky that he’s got to respect the pronouns of the work experience chap who has decided to identify as a girl named Rebecca and goes by the pronouns ze/zir? It would have been EPIC Grin

I’m making up the narrative in my head but I’d be banned for life if I typed it out 😬 oh I do miss The thick of it!

LexMitior · 15/02/2023 20:29

You just know that given the choice between Joanna Cherry and Katie Forbes that the SNP are going to do a total 360 and go for the woman with the demeanour of bar soap.

Yes! Highland purity with Katie Forbes.

SidewaysOtter · 15/02/2023 20:26

I often wonder what he’d make of all this trans stuff!

Can you imagine him being told by some HR flunky that he’s got to respect the pronouns of the work experience chap who has decided to identify as a girl named Rebecca and goes by the pronouns ze/zir? It would have been EPIC Grin

SidewaysOtter · 15/02/2023 20:23

ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 13:25

I honestly don't understand OJ's obsession with making predictions about how history will regard the present day, like some tinpot Nostradamus. but as ever, he's reliably wrong.

He did History at uni, I think. I guess that makes sense. But for someone apparently obsessed with it, he certainly does seem to lack a grasp of the big picture.

From he who wangs on about fascism so much, you’d think someone who studied history would know what it actually is.

Here’s a tip, Owen love, it’s not having to hear an opinion you don’t like or people being told their wants don’t trump the rights of others.

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 15/02/2023 20:23

SidewaysOtter · 15/02/2023 20:21

When a politician resigns I’m always reminded of Malcom Tucker being forced into resignation and ending up running round some bins trying to avoid the press…

Let us hope she will not be working her successor like Orville.

The duck?

I wish I could fly, right up to the sky…but I can’t…

Ah Malcolm, thanks for the memories 😂 I often wonder what he’d make of all this
trans stuff!

PIKNIK20 · 15/02/2023 20:22

HIP HIP HURRAH! ten times. She jumped before she was pushed. Let us hope the gender woo woo is well and truly dead for the next candidate!

SidewaysOtter · 15/02/2023 20:21

LexMitior · 15/02/2023 19:34

Fuckity bye, Nicola

When a politician resigns I’m always reminded of Malcom Tucker being forced into resignation and ending up running round some bins trying to avoid the press…

Let us hope she will not be working her successor like Orville.

The duck?

I wish I could fly, right up to the sky…but I can’t…

Hedjwitch · 15/02/2023 20:16

Ref earlier poster. I'm in Scotland and have been for 40 years. In my circle..both work and family...there is nothing but relief that she has gone. We want to say goodbye to the bigotry,hatred and division that Sturgeon( and Salmond) brought to Scotland. By all means,campaign for independence if that's your thing, but do it professionally, with intelligent debate and backed up by facts. Scotland has become an embarrassment under the SNP and the Murrells in particular, and deserves better. Today has been a good day for many.

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 15/02/2023 20:09

TheBiologyStupid · 15/02/2023 19:50

NS's attempt to "take some of the heat out of this debate" involved calling anyone who disagreed with her as transphobic, homophobic, misogynistic and (possibly) racist. So much for "being kind and treating people with dignity"!

Yes, it only ever seems to work one way doesn't it?

ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 20:05

Delphinium20 · 15/02/2023 19:48

I'm not sure about Canadian history but with the notable exception of Nixon US Presidents don't really quit do they? Even if their rating is through the floor or they've been impeached.

You are correct. Clinton was impeached but he stayed on as president.

By capitulate I meant change policy course or drop gender identity policies/executive orders/party directives. Neither have said, "we are wrong about this."

But there are limits on their terms? Sturgeon's been 1st minister for 8 years.

HappyMaltesers · 15/02/2023 19:57

I almost couldn't believe it when someone at work told me Sturgeon was resigning this morning, had to check the news online for myself! YAY!

I can't remember where on Twitter I saw it a few days ago, but it does seem like word is starting to spread in Canada about male rapists/murderers in female prisons... and like in Scotland, when the general public find out that this is where 'TWAW' and 'be kind' lead, they are not happy.
There is still a long way to go obviously, but the little chinks of light are starting to spread I think, and Sturgeons resignation will speed that along hopefully!

mrshoho · 15/02/2023 19:55

And to the poster who suggested we should take a break and try Haiku to calm down. I bet this was your placard wasn't it!

images.app.goo.gl/WamTbq92i4fy9Q5R6

user567543 · 15/02/2023 19:53

Yes @hongkongmum I agree on the debate in general - but Nicola forced through legislation without any proper consideration of amendments. People are allowed to be happy that she in particular is no longer leading.

TheBiologyStupid · 15/02/2023 19:50

hongkongmum · 15/02/2023 13:31

You may disagree with her but she is trying to get this difficult issue right. A teenager trans girl was murdered this week. Isn’t it time to take some of the heat and the hatred out of this debate and focus on being kind and treating people with dignity?

NS's attempt to "take some of the heat out of this debate" involved calling anyone who disagreed with her as transphobic, homophobic, misogynistic and (possibly) racist. So much for "being kind and treating people with dignity"!

Delphinium20 · 15/02/2023 19:48

I'm not sure about Canadian history but with the notable exception of Nixon US Presidents don't really quit do they? Even if their rating is through the floor or they've been impeached.

You are correct. Clinton was impeached but he stayed on as president.

By capitulate I meant change policy course or drop gender identity policies/executive orders/party directives. Neither have said, "we are wrong about this."

RedToothBrush · 15/02/2023 19:47

OvaHere · 15/02/2023 19:07

I'm not sure about Canadian history but with the notable exception of Nixon US Presidents don't really quit do they? Even if their rating is through the floor or they've been impeached. UK politics is a lot more revolving door as the Tories have showcased in recent times.

I would also say neither country has yet had their Tavistock or Bryson moment in the public consciousness. The swimmer Thomas was a bit of a moment as was fake boob guy in Canada but there's still a way to go and as someone else just said the size of the country will make a difference.

Wasn't there a complete collapse in support for the two parties in Canada that led to a surprise result no one expected?

If it can happen once...

user567543 · 15/02/2023 19:47

Yes another one who thinks the US democrats are in real trouble unless Trump is nominated - they'll go for that Florida Rep in his 40s...

NicolaSturGONE · 15/02/2023 19:46

Scottish here.

And to the Guardian fuckwits - I work in the 'equalities sector'. I'm fucking delighted NS has gone. Maybe now Scotland can remember, and, pay attention to the other protected characteristics in the Equality Act (not just sex).

But speaking of 'sex' as a protected characteristic, I cannot count the number of times I've had to remind people I work with not to say 'gender' instead of 'sex' in their writings. The re-writing and misinterpretations of the Equality Act 2010 is extremely frustrating and I have to be careful when pointing out their errors so I don't get called a fucking TERF.

Delphinium20 · 15/02/2023 19:45

Id go as far as saying I think US is probably on track for a Republican presidency UNLESS it's Trump.

I fear this too.

OMG12 · 15/02/2023 19:43

Has JKR said anything ( or has she been unable to stop laughing)?

ResisterRex · 15/02/2023 19:43

Maybe this is what I read:

Labour wines and dines donors to fill empty coffers

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fcc4cab2-ad3e-11ec-8378-1c1dfedc8742?shareToken=4a4836e7d4c7b91d1154997d0255a55a

"NEC members were told that party finances were in a parlous state due to £2 million-a-year legal bills arising from antisemitism lawsuits, disciplinary cases and data protection breaches; a bloated workforce throughout Corbyn’s tenure; and alleged “vanity projects” under his leadership."

"Party membership has also fallen by more than 100,000 to just over 400,000 since Starmer took office, although insiders say Labour has recorded a “mini-surge” in recent months following the scandal over Boris Johnson’s involvement in lockdown parties."

mrshoho · 15/02/2023 19:41

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
Arthur Conan Doyle Sherlock Holmes

This phrase is what I thought of when Sturgeon was headbobbing, twitching and stuttering her way through the interviews surrounding the Isla Bryson situation.

The impossible being that Sturgeon knew that there was no way the transwoman convicted rapist could be housed in the female prison. Whatever remains must be the truth, is the fact that Bryson is most definitely Male. Sturgeon most definitely knew this but was unable to say it as she knew that would mean the end of the lie we have had to put up with all this time. Transwomen are not women. The house of cards is falling.

RedToothBrush · 15/02/2023 19:41

Delphinium20 · 15/02/2023 18:54

@CryptoFascistMadameCholet good point. You're absolutely right. Most people voted for Biden because there were so many other factors that made him preferable over Trump.

Let's hope Sturgeon's fall will wake up other countries.

Biden could be in a lot of trouble if he is against anyone but Trump at the next Presidential.

Unless Trump also stands and splits the vote.

Id go as far as saying I think US is probably on track for a Republican presidency UNLESS it's Trump.

LexMitior · 15/02/2023 19:34

Fuckity bye, Nicola