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Batshit biologists

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DdraigGoch · 14/02/2023 22:20

Apparently researchers should not use the terms "male" and "female" in case it leads people to believe that sex is binary. Instead "sperm-producing" and "egg-producing" should be used, or "XY/XX individual".

I've rolled my eyes so far that they're stuck looking at the back of my head.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/14/words-male-female-should-banned-science-enforce-idea-sex-binary/

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Feckedupbundle · 15/02/2023 19:55

Dd1 is studying Zoology,and has done modules on neuroscience,ecology,biochemistry amongst others. She hasn't told me of any gender nonsense being parotted in her lectures so far,and she would as she doesn't believe in lady brain/ born in the wrong body woo,and she knows of my opinion of it.
I'm of Romany ancestry and Gypsy moth doesn't offend me at all. I knew this article hailed from North America as soon as I saw another poster mentioning that. Non travellers there seem to believe that the word 'Gypsy' is racist and I was told by one of them that I shouldn't use it to refer to myself because it was a slur,which mightily offended me.
Some people have too much time on their hands and not enough between their ears.

DrBlackbird · 15/02/2023 19:25

@TomPinch the website is called The EEB Language Project.

Its also a mystery how this became news? It’s 14 people who mean well, but we seriously hope goes nowhere.

PS some of their links for their names seem quite dodgy.

DrBlackbird · 15/02/2023 19:22

Any reference to Canada is a red flag.

The photos of the ‘team’ show young scientists. Sadly, they do appear to be mostly scientists. There’s very little actual information on their website apart from a very glossy image of a forest.

There’s a kind of confused grouping (forced teaming?) of racist language and ‘gendered’ language and by implication the latter is as equally bad as the former.

Interestingly none of the academic papers referenced refer to issues with gendered language, but there’s a link to ‘Gender Inclusive Biology’ website that appears to be solely initiated by 3 people. How do 3 people get to be so influential is beyond me.

It’s the young that have bought into the #bekind aspect of the debate. It’s worrying how stridently and happily the young are dismantling protection for vulnerable women and girls. With nary a backwards glance.

TomPinch · 15/02/2023 17:40

DdraigGoch · 14/02/2023 22:20

Apparently researchers should not use the terms "male" and "female" in case it leads people to believe that sex is binary. Instead "sperm-producing" and "egg-producing" should be used, or "XY/XX individual".

I've rolled my eyes so far that they're stuck looking at the back of my head.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/14/words-male-female-should-banned-science-enforce-idea-sex-binary/

I can't see the article.

What are their stated, scientific reasons for their view or does the article not mention any?

SinnerBoy · 15/02/2023 16:58

And love is hate, war is peace and freedom is slavery!

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/02/2023 16:52

SinnerBoy · 15/02/2023 16:46

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · Today 15:57

Or a terf. Or a Karen. Or a miserable old hag trying to prevent the youth from dismantling the patriarchy through the medium of trans joy…

God, he looks sodding miserable, doesn't he?

TRANS JOY IS JOY

SinnerBoy · 15/02/2023 16:46

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · Today 15:57

Or a terf. Or a Karen. Or a miserable old hag trying to prevent the youth from dismantling the patriarchy through the medium of trans joy…

God, he looks sodding miserable, doesn't he?

Probablymagrat · 15/02/2023 16:34

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 14/02/2023 23:32

I bring evidence for my assertion:

Well it must e true if there is an illustration. Would there be a pie chart that goes with this? All proper scientists have pie charts and white coats.

CharlieParley · 15/02/2023 16:18

BoredOfThisMansWorld · 15/02/2023 07:39

I also find the use of the phrase "hetero normative" enraging, outside of gay people describing their personal experience.

Heterosexuality is a fucked up system where women are sexually attracted to the class which opresses them. To simplistically assume "hetero normative" is good for women, bad for trans people, is to be wilfully ignorant of the history of female opression.

Also, evolution has led us here. Heterosexuality has ensured the survival of our species and gamete plus egg reproduction has given us an evolutionary advantage. It's not because of social norms that the majority of human beings are heterosexual, but because this is a species imperative.

With 95% of all humans belonging to this category, it is preposterous to frame the fact that heterosexuality is considered the norm and homosexuality the exception as wrong. Homosexuality is the exception. There is no judgment in acknowledging that fact. It is an accurate observation of reality.

There is of course plenty of judgement that derives from that fact, claims about it being unnatural and so on, but we don't have to accept such claims. We can reject illogical conclusions made from accurate observations without rejecting the observations. And that is science.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/02/2023 15:57

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 15/02/2023 15:49

An inconvenience.

Or a terf. Or a Karen. Or a miserable old hag trying to prevent the youth from dismantling the patriarchy through the medium of trans joy…

Batshit biologists
Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 15/02/2023 15:55

hryllilegur · 15/02/2023 08:57

It is incredibly easy for a group of academic with grandiose ambitions to decide to give their clique a fancy sounding name, build a website and write a ‘position paper’.

It doesn’t mean what they’re saying is of any importance.

But it is important. It’s all whittling away at reality, a reality in which women have a central, irreplaceable role in human biology, and the continuation of the species. Drip, drip , drip and suddenly there is a hole in the corner stone, and the arch falls.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 15/02/2023 15:49

AlisonDonut · 15/02/2023 07:36

Hang on. If I don't produce eggs any more, and I never produced sperm...what am I?

An inconvenience.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/02/2023 15:41

JustSpeculation · 15/02/2023 15:39

I had to Google Poe but thank you...I think!

On this occasion, yes, it’s a compliment!

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Poe%27s%20Law

JustSpeculation · 15/02/2023 15:39

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/02/2023 08:34

I had to Google Poe but thank you...I think!

hryllilegur · 15/02/2023 11:28

FrancescaContini · 15/02/2023 11:25

But what they’re suggesting instead is still a binary “option”. And a stupid one, to boot.

🤦‍♀️ are these people “real” scientists?

Yes. It’s still a binary.

And, actually, one that is more challenging to those who wish to redefine sex.

Because humans produce eggs (large gametes) or sperm (small gametes). Even if there is biological dysfunction to that process, it’s one or the other.

You cannot become an egg producer. No matter how much you might want to.

And the egg production part really matters in understanding many things in life.

So, other than being more convoluted than male/female, what is the point?

FrancescaContini · 15/02/2023 11:25

But what they’re suggesting instead is still a binary “option”. And a stupid one, to boot.

🤦‍♀️ are these people “real” scientists?

Musomama1 · 15/02/2023 11:23

No XX no cry
You make me feel like a natural XX
I'm every XX
XY I feel like a XX..... I could do this all day.

Where activism and ideology trumps science. Sex IS a binary, gender stereotypes are not real, sigh.

turbonerd · 15/02/2023 11:12

Shelefttheweb · 14/02/2023 23:07

And won’t anyone think of the poor electrician and plumber?!

Exactly.
there are masses of tool videos on YouTube talking about male bits and female bits.
for real. Not porn.
i taught engineers and mechanics, but cant be bothered to correct my «i’s».

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/02/2023 10:11

Chersfrozenface · 15/02/2023 09:55

Indeed, where does the whole spectrum of chocolate eggs currently on display in your local supermarket fit into the, er, spectrum?

I’m gonna have to go buy a shitty little Buttons egg or something now - it’s feeling quite spring-like today!

CloudPop · 15/02/2023 10:03

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 15/02/2023 00:01

Not biologists, judging by their reported misunderstandings of assorted evolutionary concepts.

Maybe they just identify as scientists.

Seems so.

Chersfrozenface · 15/02/2023 09:55

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/02/2023 09:51

Where does Cadbury Creme fit in to the spectrum?

Indeed, where does the whole spectrum of chocolate eggs currently on display in your local supermarket fit into the, er, spectrum?

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/02/2023 09:51

Chersfrozenface · 15/02/2023 09:49

Well, in geese, of course, we would have 'Sperm, Sperg, Spereg, Speregg, Spegg, Egg, Gold.

Where does Cadbury Creme fit in to the spectrum?

Chersfrozenface · 15/02/2023 09:49

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 15/02/2023 06:25

@ShireWifeofNigelFarage

'Sperm, Sperg, Spereg, Speregg, Spegg, Egg?'

I think it continues with Meringue, Omelette and culminates with Fabergé.

Well, in geese, of course, we would have 'Sperm, Sperg, Spereg, Speregg, Spegg, Egg, Gold.

DogInATent · 15/02/2023 09:45

Aspergirl77 · 15/02/2023 09:39

I note the EEB language project propose replacing ‘gypsy’ with ‘spongy moth’. I wonder how the traveller community feel about that!!

Biologists would call it Lymantria dispar dispar.
Common names are only for public convenience.

But do you really have to wonder?

Aspergirl77 · 15/02/2023 09:39

I note the EEB language project propose replacing ‘gypsy’ with ‘spongy moth’. I wonder how the traveller community feel about that!!

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